Timmy Ice Tebow...

MaTH716 · #1 12-12-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

all Tebow does is credit his teammates and say that his teammates make him look better than he does. Its the media that piles it all on Tebow.

Prater deserves the game ball for this one. and Tebow was not nearly as bad as his first 3 quarter stats look. At least 5 passes bounced right off the recievers hands. one would have been a very long TD pass. His WR's looked totally inept the first 3 Q's.. but to their credit, they and the whole team come through in the clutch. Tebow did have a good 5-10 passes that missed the target by like 10 yards... but in that 0-11 stretch in the game, there were 4 or 5 obvious drops.

I dont get why people hate on Tebow unless they are a Raider/Chiefs/Chargers fan. all the guy does is come through when it counts.

I really don't see all the hate that everyone is talking about. I just feel that the media who is doing cartwheels over the guy, should give a little more mention to the rest of the team (who has done a tremendous during this run as well)
Obviously, you can't argue with the fact that they are 6-0 with him as a starter. It's been said countless times, the guy is a trendous competitor and is getting it done. It really is a great feel good story. But just because people try to keep things in perspective, doesn't automatically make them a hater.

Calzone Lord · #2 12-12-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Obviously, you can't argue with the fact that they are 6-0 with him as a starter.

He started against the Lions.

They lost 45-10.

I also think he was 1-2 as a starter last year.

Antitrust32 · #3 12-12-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't see all the hate that everyone is talking about. I just feel that the media who is doing cartwheels over the guy, should give a little more mention to the rest of the team (who has done a tremendous during this run as well)
Obviously, you can't argue with the fact that they are 6-0 with him as a starter. It's been said countless times, the guy is a trendous competitor and is getting it done. It really is a great feel good story. But just because people try to keep things in perspective, doesn't automatically make them a hater.

the media talks about tebow non stop. But everyone I've heard gives just as much or more credit to the defense, coaches, Prater, etc. They just make tebow the headline of it and talk about him more because he brings in the ratings and $$. But the rest of the team is still getting credit.

Danzig · #4 12-12-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't see all the hate that everyone is talking about. I just feel that the media who is doing cartwheels over the guy, should give a little more mention to the rest of the team (who has done a tremendous during this run as well)
Obviously, you can't argue with the fact that they are 6-0 with him as a starter. It's been said countless times, the guy is a trendous competitor and is getting it done. It really is a great feel good story. But just because people try to keep things in perspective, doesn't automatically make them a hater.

i don't see hate from anyone either. that's got to be one of the most misused words on this site.

Antitrust32 · #5 12-12-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't see hate from anyone either. that's got to be one of the most misused words on this site.

I'm sorry but a lot of posters keeps saying that he's beat 7 crappy teams. If giving a guy crap because he keeps winning isnt being a hater, I dont know what is. you know better than that.

Danzig · #6 12-12-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm sorry but a lot of posters keeps saying that he's beat 7 crappy teams. If giving a guy crap because he keeps winning isnt being a hater, I dont know what is. you know better than that.

well, are they crappy teams? i don't think they are hating on him, i think they're just trying to keep things in perspective. yes, they've had some nice come from behind wins-but you have to take the oppostion into consideration. and of course the whipping detroit meted out is something you have to remember as well.
it's like rapid redux, everyone knows what he's done-but he's no hoy candidate just because he has a record win streak.

Antitrust32 · #7 12-12-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it's like rapid redux, everyone knows what he's done-but he's no hoy candidate just because he has a record win streak.

thats probably the worst comparison I've ever heard! this is the fucl<ing NFL, the polar opposite of claiming ranks. At least DrugS Zenyatta comparison made some sense.

3 of the teams he beat are in playoff contention! So no, that arguement is pure bullshit.

Danzig · #8 12-12-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats probably the worst comparison I've ever heard! this is the fucl<ing NFL, the polar opposite of claiming ranks. At least DrugS Zenyatta comparison made some sense.

3 of the teams he beat are in playoff contention! So no, that arguement is pure bullshit.

lol easy killer!!

a team being in playoff contention doesn't mean they are a good team. hell, denver is in contention, might even win their division. there are 5-7 teams in contention, i saw the list on tv yesterday. imo, a less than .500 team is a crappy team.

my point was that altho rr is a record holder, he's not a top horse. in that same vein, tebow is a qb in the nfl, doesn't mean he's a future hof'er. i have enjoyed watching him and his team claw back and win week after week, it's been infinitely enjoyable. i'll get a kick out of it if it continues. however, that doesn't mean that i think tebow is a good qb.

Antitrust32 · #9 12-12-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

lo. imo, a less than .500 team is a crappy team.
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The Eagles are 5-8. they are having a terrible season. but they still have the talent to win any individual game when they play well.

someone who is 7-1 in the national football league is doing a hell of a job. doesnt matter who they are playing. The only team that truely has no shot at winning on a given week are the Colts. and last time I checked, Tebow hasnt played them.

There are a lot of arguements that can be rationally made against tim tebow. His competition is not one of them.

Dahoss · #10 12-12-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats probably the worst comparison I've ever heard! this is the fucl<ing NFL, the polar opposite of claiming ranks. At least DrugS Zenyatta comparison made some sense.

3 of the teams he beat are in playoff contention! So no, that arguement is pure bullshit.

It might not be the best comparison but it's a lot closer than you are giving it credit for.

Basically you are calling people haters because they are looking at things critically. What is wrong with analyzing who they beat? What is wrong with mentioning they were life and death (at home) to beat a Bears team without their QB and star RB? Isn't that what we're supposed to do? That's what we do when handicapping. We look past the obvious stuff (they are winning, Timmy is the bestest!!!) to see why and how.

As I mentioned previously it reminds me a lot of the KC Chiefs last year. If I recall there was even some talk for Cassel for MVP on here. They beat up on bad teams, got beat by the better teams and then were exposed as frauds in the playoffs.

They are winning, which is something they were not doing without him. Of course, without him they were losing to Green Bay and San Diego (when they were good), so maybe that had more to do with it. He's played his way to at least being their QB next year and we'll be able to get a better read on just what he can and can't do.

Antitrust32 · #11 12-12-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

It might not be the best comparison but it's a lot closer than you are giving it credit for.

Basically you are calling people haters because they are looking at things critically. What is wrong with analyzing who they beat? What is wrong with mentioning they were life and death (at home) to beat a Bears team without their QB and star RB? Isn't that what we're supposed to do? That's what we do when handicapping. We look past the obvious stuff (they are winning, Timmy is the bestest!!!) to see why and how.

As I mentioned previously it reminds me a lot of the KC Chiefs last year. If I recall there was even some talk for Cassel for MVP on here. They beat up on bad teams, got beat by the better teams and then were exposed as frauds in the playoffs.

They are winning, which is something they were not doing without him. Of course, without him they were losing to Green Bay and San Diego (when they were good), so maybe that had more to do with it. He's played his way to at least being their QB next year and we'll be able to get a better read on just what he can and can't do.

this is fair enough.. and you could be on to something comparing the broncos to the chiefs. I just love teams that have great defenses though. and the broncos have a great defense. That will keep them in most games.

The thing about the competitions is that he's won 7 games. Including against the Jets, Oakland, Bears, the same Chargers team they lost to earlier in the year. They aren't playing a bunch of **** teams. These teams might not be having their best years ever, but they are far from crappy teams.

If he was 2-1, had beat the colts and the jags and lost like they did to Detriot, than I would give that opinion some credibility. Its just not the case.

Before every game it seems like the "haters" think there is no way the broncos can win. and they do. then the "haters" say "oh, they were missing so and so". According to this board.. there was no way on earth the broncos could be the jets. but they still did. I just feel the competition arguement has zero credibility.

Go ahead and argue his throwing motion and completion percentage and accuracy all you want. at least they would be valid.

clyde · #12 12-12-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't see all the hate that everyone is talking about. I just feel that the media who is doing cartwheels over the guy, should give a little more mention to the rest of the team (who has done a tremendous during this run as well)
Obviously, you can't argue with the fact that they are 6-0 with him as a starter. It's been said countless times, the guy is a trendous competitor and is getting it done. It really is a great feel good story. But just because people try to keep things in perspective, doesn't automatically make them a hater.

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