UC Davis police attack peaceful demonstraters

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win" - Ghandi

Smear campaign? That's what lobbyists do best



http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/11...ugher-response

The lobbying firm is Clark, Lytle, Geduldig, Cranford http://www.clgcdc.com/clients whose clients include:

Koch Industries
Northern Trust Bank
Verizon
Bloomberg
Deloitte
Whirlpool
Univision
Encana Natural Gas
Beam
Fidelity Investments
AT & T
Allstate
General Motors
BlackBerry
Prudential Insurance
Swisher International
PWC
Loews Corp.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...me?via=siderec

Thanks for the list Riot. Now I know who I want to give extra business to. It is not a smear to show filthy dirty hippies in their natural state - it's more of a documentary.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Thanks for the list Riot. Now I know who I want to give extra business to. It is not a smear to show filthy dirty hippies in their natural state - it's more of a documentary.

Documentaries are by definition fair and unbiased, that's not what we are talking about here. Branding everyone who takes part in these demonstrations as "filthy, dirty hippies" is another example of blind obedience to the right wing b.s. that is vomited over and over here.
The examples of police brutality are becoming more and more common...I don't see how anyone can defend the actions shown on the videos here. We have folks in wheelchairs thrown face first to the concrete, 84 year old women pepper sprayed, and now this. Regardless of one's politics, I would think that the need for a set of rules governing handling of demonstrations nationwide would be something everyone could agree upon. Do we really want another Jackson State or Kent State???

[GPK]

At :14 second mark in the video, check out the wuss in the white hat on the far side of the screen get up and move. Protest? What Protest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPysXyndJ4

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by GPK

At :14 second mark in the video, check out the wuss in the white hat on the far side of the screen get up and move. Protest? What Protest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPysXyndJ4

Maybe that dude was dragged there by a girl and figured if he protested he would get some action out of it. Once the pepper spray came out, he smarted up real fast and realizes that no poon was worth that crap.

[GPK]

Settle down people!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYUHi...eature=related

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by GPK

At :14 second mark in the video, check out the wuss in the white hat on the far side of the screen get up and move. Protest? What Protest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaPysXyndJ4

ROR...the guy at :49 goes in for a dry hump.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Documentaries are by definition fair and unbiased, that's not what we are talking about here. Branding everyone who takes part in these demonstrations as "filthy, dirty hippies" is another example of blind obedience to the right wing b.s. that is vomited over and over here.The examples of police brutality are becoming more and more common...I don't see how anyone can defend the actions shown on the videos here. We have folks in wheelchairs thrown face first to the concrete, 84 year old women pepper sprayed, and now this. Regardless of one's politics, I would think that the need for a set of rules governing handling of demonstrations nationwide would be something everyone could agree upon. Do we really want another Jackson State or Kent State???

you mean, kinda like not every cop is a bad one? yeah, we can't be painting everyone with the same brush, that would be bad.
unless you're painting the right group i guess.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you mean, kinda like not every cop is a bad one? yeah, we can't be painting everyone with the same brush, that would be bad.
unless you're painting the right group i guess.

F the police

except the ones on law and order of course.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

F the police

except the ones on law and order of course.

my father and some of the best people i've ever known were policemen in washington d.c.. it's a thankless job, underpaid, overworked, constantly being second-guessed by people who sit at home on their overstuffed couch, and judge people for their behavior-that they'll never encounter, or have to make split second decision about.
they have their bosses in one ear, the media in the other, the citizens on their asses. damned when they do, damned when they don't.
when they're in a situation, well, they shouldn't be there. but when someone else is in a situation, who are they screaming for? the cops...but they're never around when you need them, right?

my father was there for the vietnam protests, the farmers protests, the politicians drunk in limos with women who weren't their wives, drunks, crooks, the dregs of society trying to kill them...he'd been stabbed, shot at, assaulted, etc, etc


we all know the saying, walk a mile in their shoes..yeah, but who actually does that?
i watched my mother go thru 20 years of worry about my dad, working doubles, round the clock, dealing with all that. yeah, they all suck.
fact is, they don't. i know it for a fact.
a friend of ours was a k-9 cop. he made the mistake one night of running after a guy down the alley, and leaving the dog in the car. the dog tore that car apart trying to get to him, because he got his ass beat-lost his four front teeth to a baseball bat. was off work for weeks after that.
yeah, i'm sure paul had that coming.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my father and some of the best people i've ever known were policemen in washington d.c.. it's a thankless job, underpaid, overworked, constantly being second-guessed by people who sit at home on their overstuffed couch, and judge people for their behavior-that they'll never encounter, or have to make split second decision about.
they have their bosses in one ear, the media in the other, the citizens on their asses. damned when they do, damned when they don't.
when they're in a situation, well, they shouldn't be there. but when someone else is in a situation, who are they screaming for? the cops...but they're never around when you need them, right?

my father was there for the vietnam protests, the farmers protests, the politicians drunk in limos with women who weren't their wives, drunks, crooks, the dregs of society trying to kill them...he'd been stabbed, shot at, assaulted, etc, etc


we all know the saying, walk a mile in their shoes..yeah, but who actually does that?
i watched my mother go thru 20 years of worry about my dad, working doubles, round the clock, dealing with all that. yeah, they all suck.
fact is, they don't. i know it for a fact.
a friend of ours was a k-9 cop. he made the mistake one night of running after a guy down the alley, and leaving the dog in the car. the dog tore that car apart trying to get to him, because he got his ass beat-lost his four front teeth to a baseball bat. was off work for weeks after that.
yeah, i'm sure paul had that coming.

my hat is off to the honest cops in the land who have to deal with rapists, murderers, voilent drug dealers, etc. In my opinion, those cops are the real law enforcers.

My problem is with the ones who do not have integrity. And also the ones who hide behind a bush on the side of the road to trap speeders. I have a huge problem with cops who try to just get money out of and harass hard working citizens. I severly dislike the cops who let the power get to their heads. and I hate hate hate the patriot act, and how it takes away checks and balances from police (warrantless searches based on whatever "suspicion" they invent), because I do NOT trust them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

my hat is off to the honest cops in the land who have to deal with rapists, murderers, voilent drug dealers, etc. In my opinion, those cops are the real law enforcers.

My problem is with the ones who do not have integrity. And also the ones who hide behind a bush on the side of the road to trap speeders. I have a huge problem with cops who try to just get money out of and harass hard working citizens. I severly dislike the cops who let the power get to their heads. and I hate hate hate the patriot act, and how it takes away checks and balances from police (warrantless searches based on whatever "suspicion" they invent), because I do NOT trust them.

sure, just like every cross section of life, you're going to have bad cops. just like you have bad teachers, lawyers, judges, etc. funny tho, i typically only see cop bashing on here, and incendiary thread titles, and a general sense that they're 'all bad' from some posters on here.

and yeah, we were in a bank today with a patriot act sign, which i scoffed at. it's a joke. but keep in mind cops didn't come up with that act, bush and his buddies did-- and the fbi-and my dad never cared for the fbi. he told me what fbi stood for, and it's not fed bureau of investigation!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my father and some of the best people i've ever known were policemen in washington d.c.. it's a thankless job, underpaid, overworked, constantly being second-guessed by people who sit at home on their overstuffed couch, and judge people for their behavior-that they'll never encounter, or have to make split second decision about.
they have their bosses in one ear, the media in the other, the citizens on their asses. damned when they do, damned when they don't.
when they're in a situation, well, they shouldn't be there. but when someone else is in a situation, who are they screaming for? the cops...but they're never around when you need them, right?

my father was there for the vietnam protests, the farmers protests, the politicians drunk in limos with women who weren't their wives, drunks, crooks, the dregs of society trying to kill them...he'd been stabbed, shot at, assaulted, etc, etc


we all know the saying, walk a mile in their shoes..yeah, but who actually does that?
i watched my mother go thru 20 years of worry about my dad, working doubles, round the clock, dealing with all that. yeah, they all suck.
fact is, they don't. i know it for a fact.
a friend of ours was a k-9 cop. he made the mistake one night of running after a guy down the alley, and leaving the dog in the car. the dog tore that car apart trying to get to him, because he got his ass beat-lost his four front teeth to a baseball bat. was off work for weeks after that.
yeah, i'm sure paul had that coming.

I agree with everything you said....working as long as I did in the prison system and being directly involved with crowd control as a Military MP, I quite often found myself in scary situations where I feared for my own safety, all that is true BUT it doesn't apply in situations like the one that sparked this thread...calling the victims disgusting dirty hippies or implying they had it coming doesn't work when the visual evidence is front and center. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior whether committed by demonstrators or those in authority.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree with everything you said....working as long as I did in the prison system and being directly involved with crowd control as a Military MP, I quite often found myself in scary situations where I feared for my own safety, all that is true BUT it doesn't apply in situations like the one that sparked this thread...calling the victims disgusting dirty hippies or implying they had it coming doesn't work when the visual evidence is front and center. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior whether committed by demonstrators or those in authority.

Zig is right though in that the police are just carrying out their orders from higher up. It's the people ordering the cops who should be arrested. Starting with the federal government.

[GPK]

I didn't realize that this wasn't an "Occupy UC Davis" thing. The kids were protesting a doubling of their tuition.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you mean, kinda like not every cop is a bad one? yeah, we can't be painting everyone with the same brush, that would be bad.
unless you're painting the right group i guess.

I have never attempted to paint all police officers with the same broad brush, in every group of people there are good and bad...demonstrators, police, clergy, every group. The problem here is that we have video evidence of brutality...unnecessary brutality! Of course the cops on the line are following orders and often that puts them in a difficult situation but "following orders" has never been accepted as an excuse for brutality, demonstrations are not new and while every situation is different, common sense screams out for basic humanity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I have never attempted to paint all police officers with the same broad brush, in every group of people there are good and bad...demonstrators, police, clergy, every group. The problem here is that we have video evidence of brutality...unnecessary brutality! Of course the cops on the line are following orders and often that puts them in a difficult situation but "following orders" has never been accepted as an excuse for brutality, demonstrations are not new and while every situation is different, common sense screams out for basic humanity.

wasn't necessarily thinking of you with my post. hypocrisy abounds around here, and elsewhere.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wasn't necessarily thinking of you with my post. hypocrisy abounds around here, and elsewhere.

Again, I agree. Walking in someone else's shoes is a practice we can all gain from. My problem is that these brutal episodes seem to be increasing lately, as well as support for them. Folks seem fine with defending folks like Westboro Baptist when they spread their poison but don't allow young or poor folks to express their frustrations. Yes, I know there are legal issues as well as public safety to consider but we didn't hear those concerns when the Tea Party demonstrated.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wasn't necessarily thinking of you with my post. hypocrisy abounds around here, and elsewhere.

Well, if you're thinking of me, I certainly haven't said all cops are bad, either. In fact, I've said the opposite on here. The bad cops I've posted here, that are brutal? You bet, they are bad. They are not just "following orders" - they are not even following their training.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Thanks for the list Riot. Now I know who I want to give extra business to. It is not a smear to show filthy dirty hippies in their natural state - it's more of a documentary.

You really have your finger on the pulse of what's happening