OWS Zucotti Park

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

where s the peoples champion obama to rescue them..90 perc of these folks voted for change..they got it..and how are these protesters who are complaining about no jobs out looking for work when they are 'protesting'.

yeah, how dare American citizens protest wonderful champions of humanity like the government and Wall Street, who we all know have the best interests for the American people at heart.

I doubt the 90% thing is even close to true. Many Republicans, Libertarians and Tea Party members are part of Occupy Wall Street.

[Antitrust32]

my cousin, an 18 year old freshman at UNC Charlotte, started Occupy UNCC. Our entire family is extremely proud and supportive of him and his cause. and you wont find one liberal in this family. When will people realize this has NOTHING to do with partisan politics.

http://nineronline.com/2011/occupy-u...begin-protest/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

my cousin, an 18 year old freshman at UNC Charlotte, started Occupy UNCC. Our entire family is extremely proud and supportive of him and his cause. and you wont find one liberal in this family. When will people realize this has NOTHING to do with partisan politics.

http://nineronline.com/2011/occupy-u...begin-protest/

Good for him!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, how dare American citizens protest wonderful champions of humanity like the government and Wall Street, who we all know have the best interests for the American people at heart.

I doubt the 90% thing is even close to true. Many Republicans, Libertarians and Tea Party members are part of Occupy Wall Street.

True. Most of the protesters are employed, many are not just "students" or the young. Many are at the various Occupy protests while they are on vacation days.

The Occupy movement is primarily protesting the ownership of this government by monied corporate interests, to the detriment of the vast majority of it's citizens.

That people are defending that shows how effective their propaganda machine has been over the past 40 years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Being in the park around the clock is legal, but camping out in it is NOT legal. That is referenced by the term "camping out".

Actually, no, the judge just ruled camping out illegal yesterday in the overturning of the temporary restraining order. There was no reference to camping before that in this type of park, only the NYC owned parks. That's why there was alot of confusion in the first forty days, and why Bloomberg allowed it.

Until, at 1:00am with only 10 minutes warning, he sent in his stormtroopers to illegal seize citizens property, and arrest them for exercising their constitutional rights.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Bloomberg allowed it because he is a liberal whose girlfriend is on the park's ownership's board.

Then what was his excuse for sending in storm troopers at 1:00am yesterday?

How many times have YOU walked around Zuccotti Park?

None. I know very well the dimensions of the park, having watched multiple live feeds, including overheads, over the past six weeks. Yeah, it's very small. When multiple news feeds show and say there are two to three thousand people there when it opened yesterday at 5:00pm, and yeah, it sure looks like that - I believe it.

You are free to continue deny that's physically possible.

(And why could you not take the time to spell it correctly in your thread title?)

Well, I think that disallows anything I say about it, certainly!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I recant: there must be not thousands, but MILLIONS in that picture!

MILLIONS!

Where did you protest, you occupier, you?

I actually happened to be watching the live feed when the Bloomberg stormtroopers busted in, and stayed with it for another couple hours. It was amazing to see that unfold live on the Ustream and Twitter, and Kos.

Then I sent them a $200 donation (see their website for the link, I'm sure you'll want to donate) to help OWS replace the destroyed computers, books and medical equipment

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I recant: there must be not thousands, but MILLIONS in that picture!

MILLIONS!

Where did you protest, you occupier, you?

ROR !!

Have you seen Fish lately ?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

If the Dailykos is on the scene, then it is certainly not a liberal movement.

If information was available about Occupy on Red State or Big Government, I'd be looking there

But yes, those godless hippies do tend to be more giving towards the rights of others - versus, say, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell Of course, the Ron Paulites are there, too. Republicans, Independents ...

OccupyWallSt.org:

Tomorrow, Thursday November 17th, marks two months since the start of Occupy Wall Street as well as International Students Day. To commemorate this two month anniversary, Occupy Wall Street will take to the streets in celebration and in solidarity with people around the world participating in a massive global day of action in hundreds of cities.

7:00am — Shut Down Wall Street
We will gather in Liberty Square at 7:00am, before the ring of the Trading Floor Bell, to prepare to confront Wall Street with the stories of people on the frontlines of economic injustice.

3:00pm — Occupy the Subway
We will gather at 3:00pm at 16 central subway hubs and take our own stories to the trains, using the "People's Mic". Details here.

5:00pm — Take the Square, Festival of Lights on Brooklyn Bridge
At 5:00pm thousands will gather at Foley Square in solidarity with laborers demanding jobs to rebuild this country's infrastructure and economy. They will encircle City Hall and march across the Brooklyn Bridge, carrying thousands of handheld lights, as a festival of lights to celebrate two months of a new movement to reclaim our democracy.

There are events planned in numerous major cities:

In Boston, Detroit, Washington DC, Portland and Seattle, protesters, some allied with union workers and community groups, will march on high-profile bridges in order to highlight the problem of America's crumbling and underfunded infrastructure.

"We don't want to make this about police and protesters," said Stephen Squibb, an organiser with Occupy Boston, whose group will target the city's North Washington Street bridge. "It is about jobs and other things. That has been our message for two months and we are going to keep saying it," he added.

The range of activities across America spans a spectrum from the dramatic to the small-scale, including teach-ins, rallies and direct actions aimed at banks and corporations. In Portland, Oregon, protesters plan to target a city bridge and then try to organise flashmobs to go to local banks. In Detroit, protesters are marching from their camp downtown to the city's municipal centre, where they aim to highlight the brutal impact of government cuts on ordinary citizens.

[P]rotesters in Atlanta will hold events targeting two major corporations in the form of Home Depot and Verizon. In Las Vegas, protesters have vowed to set up an early morning encampment outside a federal building downtown and stay until police remove them. In Chicago, a major rally is planned with local union workers and community groups.

In Memphis, a "midnight march" is planned through the city centre. In Phoenix, local members of the movement are targeting the city's light rail network during the morning rush hour.

We are at a necessary evolution point in the Occupy movement. I say "necessary" for two reasons: one, because of the hard truth that cities around the nation simply cannot tolerate camping as a form of free speech, thus necessitating a response to "putting tents up" that is increasingly relying on tear gas, riot gear, and mass arrests.

Two, because they aren't listening. The government, Wall Street, the media: they simply aren't listening yet. Most press coverage revolves around which cities beat the holy hell out of which protestors on any given day or which senior citizen posed such a damn threat to the riot-gear-laden police that they needed to be pepper sprayed, but the underlying messages of income inequality, corporate corruption and a captured government are, unsurprisingly, still being stonewalled.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg doesn't want people camping in his park anymore. Fine, then: he will push the protests into taking another form. That's probably good for the movement, and probably is probably going to be worse for him.

More Occupy news:

* Federal prosecution of financial fraud is at a 20-year low. Now, let's reflect on that. The whole "meltdown of the economy due to massive frauds perpetrated by top financial firms" bit would, you would think, have resulted in lighting a fire under prosecutors of such fraud. Nope. A Twenty. Year. Low. In the last few years, prosecutions for financial fraud have dropped to about one third of what those numbers were in the 1990's.

So if you were thinking that all of the high-profile news about slap-on-the-wrist, no-fault-admitted settlements for foreclosure fraud, selling fraudulent derivatives and the like sounded like the government was going remarkably easy on instances of Wall Street fraud, congratulations: apparently, you're right.

* The New York Press Club is asking for an investigation into the harassment and arrests of reporters during yesterday's enforced media blackout during the eviction at Zuccotti. Bloomberg says such things are done "routinely", which either means he's a damn idiot or there's an even bigger story to be written about ongoing NYPD abuse of reporters.

* Most of the books from the confiscated Occupy Wall Street Library were damaged or destroyed, as well as other personal property:

“There are only about 25 boxes of books; many of the books are destroyed. Laptops here but destroyed. Can’t find tent or shelves.”

“Many books destroyed. Most equipment -and structures missing. . . most of library is missing (ALL of the reference section btw), damaged or destroyed. “

Remember, this was done because Bloomberg and the park owners were concerned about protesters possibly damaging the property. But screw you, protesters, we'll damage whatever the hell we want.

* From Salon, the headline sums it up:
"Daily News cheers Occupy Wall Street raid, until Daily News reporter is arrested"
Their reaction went from "Bravo" to calling the action "alarming" and calling their attorney. Funny how that works. Oh, and no word on whether that reporter still has a working laptop.

* New York City Councilman Ydanis Rodriguez says he was detained for over 17 hours after being arrested during the Occupy Wall Street eviction, and was denied access to his attorney until just before release.

* Continuing the theme of New York law enforcement treating everyone like dirt, all the time: private security calling people "faggots". Yes, there's video.

* Elsewhere in the nation, America's most successful political liar has a grumpy day:
http://thinkprogress.org/...

“Karl Rove is the architect of Occupy Iraq, the architect of Occupy Afghanistan!” yelled the demonstrators. Occupy Baltimore had infiltrated the crowd and began chanting against Rove. “Who gave you the right to occupy America?” asked Rove to the protesters [...]

Who gave them the "right" to occupy America? Thomas f---ing Jefferson, jackass.

* Occupy Cal drew an estimated crowd of 10,000 people to the UC Berkeley campus last night. More pics here.
* Occupy Atlanta working to help prevent a foreclosure.

* I've been looking for news on repercussions against officers who have been videotaped using excessive force against protesters: pepper spraying sitting people, shooting people at close range with rubber bullets or tear gas, using nightsticks on people who are quite obviously not resisting. Anyone see squat about such things? No? All right, just checking.

To keep up with Occupy related events, especially local actions and first-person accounts from our community, follow the Occupy Wall Street group and the Occupy Wall Street tag right here http://www.dailykos.com/

[Riot]

http://www.politickerny.com/2011/11/...y-wall-street/

* NY Press Club Demands Investigation Into Reporters Arrested at Occupy Wall Street
* Paul Newell: My Night In The #OWS Lock-Up
* Councilman Ydanis Rodriguez Arrested, Injured at Occupy Wall Street Raid
* Bloomberg Spokesman Slams Mayoral Aspirants Over Criticisms of Occupy Wall Street Raid
* Mayor Bloomberg Explains His Decision to Raid Occupy Wall Street

[Antitrust32]

"Whose responsibility is all this? It's ours. We must take responsibility. I never made a shady loan, created a mortgage-backed security, or used loopholes to keep from paying my taxes. But the people who created this situation did it right before our eyes. They did it because we, the people, didn't scrutinize them, didn't hold them accountable. It was too complex. It was too much to try and learn. It was way over there in D.C. and Wall Street and had nothing to do with our day-to-day lives.

We are guilty of distractibility, of laziness in our democracy. And while we were all sleeping, a few clever individuals rigged the entire system to siphon money in a hundred ways, some blatant and some covert, from our bank accounts, pensions, 401(k) accounts, and taxes. They said they were "too big to fail," threatened us with economic ruin and made off with billions.

So now, across the country and across the globe, regular people are standing up and taking responsibility. They're saying, "We are not going to let these crooks get away with this. Not on our watch. Never again." The Occupation Movement isn't some left-wing, fringe organization. It isn't a bunch of anarchists hoping to wreak havoc or anti-capitalist protesters hoping to create some utopian state. It is comprised of people just like you and me, willing to take responsibility, take our leaders to task, and make those not doing their part to ensure the prosperity of all either pitch in or pack up.



Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#ixzz1dtnJ7PXY

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Rubbish.

i respecfully disagree that the Occupy movement is a left wing movement. I do think it is categorized as one by some media, but I personally know as many or more conservatives who support it than liberals.

people of all political backgrounds should be pissed about how Wall Street has bought out the goverment.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i respecfully disagree that the Occupy movement is a left wing movement. I do think it is categorized as one by some media, but I personally know as many or more conservatives who support it than liberals.

people of all political backgrounds should be pissed about how Wall Street has bought out the goverment.

is that wall streets fault, or the govts?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is that wall streets fault, or the govts?

Neither - it is the Electorate's fault for laying complacent and allowing criminals to infiltrate Wall St. and the Gov't without reproach.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Neither - it is the Electorate's fault for laying complacent and allowing criminals to infiltrate Wall St. and the Gov't without reproach.

i disagree.
the buyer is wrong, but i would think the seller would be more so. but i am neither, how am i at fault? all i'm asking is, how can you blame wall street? you can't buy what someone else isn't selling. the govt is supposed to do what's best, not what's purchased. if they have no honor, they need to go. they're supposed to be the ones who make laws to prevent things such as the whole banking scandal. instead, congress voted to get rid of regulations to prevent what happened after-and now we know why. if you're bought, you know immediately you're corrupt. it's not something voters find out about right away. now we know, so hopefully now there will be action.
lol yeah, right.
just like congress was going to become more ethical. the fox is watching the henhouse in that regard.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is that wall streets fault, or the govts?

It's OUR fault, for allowing it to happen.

Good grief: look at the current GOP candidates: Herman Cain is wholly-owned by the Koch brothers (as is his chief of staff, Mark Block, they both were lecturers on the Koch circuit and employees), Newt Gingrich was exposed just today to be lying about the millions he received as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac (he denied the income and the lobbying). We elect these people. Yes, Obama has tons of ties to Goldman Sachs.

Occupy says that's over. Dems, Republicans, it doesn't matter - if you are owned by lobbyists, if you govern for them and not us, your days are numbered. It's that simple.

Occupy has spread to 200 occupations world-wide. It will be the most potent political force in the next election. It is completely non-partisan.

That scares the status quo corporatists, as they will not be able to purchase it, as they did the Tea Party.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's OUR fault, for allowing it to happen.

Good grief: look at the current GOP candidates: Herman Cain is wholly-owned by the Koch brothers (as is his chief of staff, Mark Block, they both were lecturers on the Koch circuit and employees), Newt Gingrich was exposed just today to be lying about the millions he received as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac (he denied the income and the lobbying). We elect these people. Yes, Obama has tons of ties to Goldman Sachs.

Occupy says that's over. Dems, Republicans, it doesn't matter - if you are owned by lobbyists, if you govern for them and not us, your days are numbered. It's that simple.

Occupy has spread to 200 occupations world-wide. It will be the most potent political force in the next election. It is completely non-partisan.

That scares the status quo corporatists, as they will not be able to purchase it, as they did the Tea Party.

this is one of the reasons i advocate term limits. people can't become entrenched and send pork back for their constituents to get fat on, if they can't stay long enough to become 'too big to fail'.
as for cain, he's not a current officeholder, not sure what you mentioned him for. it's the decades-long senators and representatives who have figured out how to work the system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for cain, he's not a current officeholder, not sure what you mentioned him for. .

Because he is a self-described, "Koch brotha by another motha". He and his campaign chief Block have long worked for the Koch brothers and their PAC. Everyone knows this - Cain even BRAGS about it, see above quote - Cain has run for Senator and President before. Who is keeping his campaign financed? Look at his campaign finance documents. Before Cain worked for the Koch brothers, he was (famously) lobbyist for the National Restaurant Association.

Cain is a wholly-owned corporate candidate. He is currently owned by the Koch brothers. And they are not even shy about saying that. Yet there are tons of American voters out there who mistakenly think Cain is some kind of magical "independent businessman" with no ties to Washington? Good grief, Cain himself brags on his Koch connection! He is proud of it!

Cain is what OWS is all about.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's OUR fault, for allowing it to happen.

Good grief: look at the current GOP candidates: Herman Cain is wholly-owned by the Koch brothers (as is his chief of staff, Mark Block, they both were lecturers on the Koch circuit and employees), Newt Gingrich was exposed just today to be lying about the millions he received as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac (he denied the income and the lobbying). We elect these people. Yes, Obama has tons of ties to Goldman Sachs.

Occupy says that's over. Dems, Republicans, it doesn't matter - if you are owned by lobbyists, if you govern for them and not us, your days are numbered. It's that simple.

Occupy has spread to 200 occupations world-wide. It will be the most potent political force in the next election. It is completely non-partisan.

That scares the status quo corporatists, as they will not be able to purchase it, as they did the Tea Party.

Sure they will, in the end it will just come cheaper.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

Occupy has spread to 200 occupations world-wide. It will be the most potent political force in the next election. It is completely non-partisan.

Any effect that it will have is to hurt moderate Democrats in toss-up districts and states.