D. Wayne Lukas in graded stakes

philcski · #1 10-31-2011, 01:38 PM

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

I'll cover him but not focus on him.

RolloTomasi · #2 10-31-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

asudevil · #3 11-01-2011, 08:24 PM

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It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

How does Kona Gold get left off this list?

philcski · #4 11-01-2011, 08:28 PM

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How does Kona Gold get left off this list?

He was talking about horses who weren't necessarily 6F specialists... Kona Gold was practically the definition of a 6F specialist. One of my all time favorites.

Indian Charlie · #5 11-01-2011, 08:30 PM

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He was talking about horses who weren't necessarily 6F specialists... Kona Gold was practically the definition of a 6F specialist. One of my all time favorites.

I'd say KG was more of a 5.5F specialist, so technically speaking....

philcski · #6 11-01-2011, 08:37 PM

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I'd say KG was more of a 5.5F specialist, so technically speaking....

Is he still the only horse to start in 5 BC's?

Sightseek · #7 11-01-2011, 08:40 PM

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Is he still the only horse to start in 5 BC's?

Perfect Drift.

Indian Charlie · #8 11-01-2011, 09:07 PM

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Is he still the only horse to start in 5 BC's?

If you count this year, Zenyatta.

Calzone Lord · #9 10-31-2011, 01:56 PM

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HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

By past Breeders Cup Sprint standards ... there isn't a whole lot of speed in there.

The Vosburgh winner did go wire-to-wire -- but he hadn't seen an early lead since 2008 and there are nickle claimers who could outfoot him before throwing on the air-breaks.

Big Drama won this race wire-to-wire last year in a similar not so speed crazed BC Sprint -- he got an assist from some poor breakers -- Pachito The Che was left. BD can stalk/press and he's not killer fast.

I suppose good ole 7yo Euroears will be on the lead.

If you look at recent Moss pace figs -- I think that M and H Training & Sales Trianburger horse running in the Juvenile Sprint could get loose in there before firing on the air-breaks.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 10-31-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

My concern with Jackson Bend isn't his talent, he clearly fits on credentials and figures. It's simply the fact that Sprint winners nearly always are 6F specialists. HOWEVER, one thing to note is 6F at CD is actually 6.25F and this extra bit might be enough given the pace figures to be lively.

I'll cover him but not focus on him.

What Im saying, but better put I guess.

philcski · #11 10-31-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's not like Jackson Bend has an Aldebaran-type style. He has some tactical speed.

With respect to 6f specialists dominating the race, Gulch, Smile, Precisionist, Dancing Spree, Cherokee Run, Artax, Orientate, Silver Train, and Midnight Lute would suggest a horse like Jackson Bend's style can get it done.

Fair examples, but the difference is all of those were anywhere from very very good to hall of fame level types, and whereas JB is merely a "good" horse.

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By past Breeders Cup Sprint standards ... there isn't a whole lot of speed in there.

The Vosburgh winner did go wire-to-wire -- but he hadn't seen an early lead since 2008 and there are nickle claimers who could outfoot him before throwing on the air-breaks.

Big Drama won this race wire-to-wire last year in a similar not so speed crazed BC Sprint -- he got an assist from some poor breakers -- Pachito The Che was left. BD can stalk/press and he's not killer fast.

I suppose good ole 7yo Euroears will be on the lead.

If you look at recent Moss pace figs -- I think that M and H Training & Sales Trianburger horse running in the Juvenile Sprint could get loose in there before firing on the air-breaks.

I'm expecting 21:2, 43:4 type numbers. Quick but not absurd by CD standards.

VOL JACK · #12 10-31-2011, 04:47 PM

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Fair examples, but the difference is all of those were anywhere from very very good to hall of fame level types, and whereas JB is merely a "good" horse.

I'm expecting 21:2, 43:4 type numbers. Quick but not absurd by CD standards.

If they go 43&4...Jackson Bend should win easy.