Occupy Wall Street

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How many US citizens with a MIT or similar degree are looking for work? I'd guess not many.

How many engineers laid off the las 10 years? My guess millions. It is clear where you stand on the issues and it is to be expected from someone in an industry that is known to use and abuse cheap undocumented foriegn labor. And save us the no American wants it bull. There would be at the right price. Funny how alot of you uber conseratives are all about the free markets except the market for thier own employees.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

How many engineers laid off the las 10 years? My guess millions. It is clear where you stand on the issues and it is to be expected from someone in an industry that is known to use and abuse cheap undocumented foriegn labor. And save us the no American wants it bull. There would be at the right price. Funny how alot of you uber conseratives are all about the free markets except the market for thier own employees.

Every job would find takers at the "right price". What is the "right price? Would people work the lettuce fields for 150k a year? Would people bus tables for 75k a year? Funny how twits like you "know" everything about horseracing when you know virtually nothing. So are you going to take the stance that MIT grads are all engineers and that they are having trouble finding employment too?

The unemployment level for thse with 4 year college degrees are still much lower than the general population. An MIT degree is much more valuable than an ordinary degree.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Every job would find takers at the "right price". What is the "right price? Would people work the lettuce fields for 150k a year? Would people bus tables for 75k a year? Funny how twits like you "know" everything about horseracing when you know virtually nothing. So are you going to take the stance that MIT grads are all engineers and that they are having trouble finding employment too?

The unemployment level for thse with 4 year college degrees are still much lower than the general population. An MIT degree is much more valuable than an ordinary degree.

Typical fuking trainer hating on the customer. You are so out of line.
Are you saying that there are no undocumented employees on the backside?
http://my.firedoglake.com/rayne/2011...al-immigrants/
http://www.alipac.us/article-print-6003.html
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...ented-workers/
I don't proclaim to know everything about your business unlike you who knows everything about the economy yet spends most of his day parked under a horses ass. Now you are into name calling and getting personal, if I were you I'd focus on Occupy the Winners Circle instead of acting like a know it all on this board.. You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
Now back to the MIT issue do you really think for one second that ONLY folks with a degree from MIT will be granted a VISA?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
?

I call bullshit.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I call bullshit.

I wasn't referring to myself if that is what you are getting at.

[Antitrust32]

What I'm getting at is there arent people who come to Nerdy Trail Politics section to decide who to pick as a horse trainer.

[jms62]

Not so sure about that . It's not that they come here to make the decision, they come here and see the rantings and don't even give consideration when the time comes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Typical fuking trainer hating on the customer. You are so out of line.
Are you saying that there are no undocumented employees on the backside?
http://my.firedoglake.com/rayne/2011...al-immigrants/
http://www.alipac.us/article-print-6003.html
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...ented-workers/
I don't proclaim to know everything about your business unlike you who knows everything about the economy yet spends most of his day parked under a horses ass. Now you are into name calling and getting personal, if I were you I'd focus on Occupy the Winners Circle instead of acting like a know it all on this board.. You realize that there are folks on here that read your sh*it and make the decision never to use a pompus ass know it all as their trainer.
Now back to the MIT issue do you really think for one second that ONLY folks with a degree from MIT will be granted a VISA?

You are not my customer, you are nameless, faceless troll. If people wouldnt send me a horse based on posts on an internet board they probably wouldnt be very good clients anyway. Your innocent act is laughable considering you are the one who is always taking shots at my business and me personally which works for you since no one knows who the hell you are or what you do. You dont know anything about me or my business. Grow up and discuss the issues without trying to run me down or interject insults whenever possible.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are not my customer, you are nameless, faceless troll. If people wouldnt send me a horse based on posts on an internet board they probably wouldnt be very good clients anyway. Your innocent act is laughable considering you are the one who is always taking shots at my business and me personally which works for you since no one knows who the hell you are or what you do. You dont know anything about me or my business. Grow up and discuss the issues without trying to run me down or interject insults whenever possible.

He lost in a showdown play against SubPrime Selector........he lost!



So that's it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

How many engineers laid off the las 10 years? My guess millions. It is clear where you stand on the issues and it is to be expected from someone in an industry that is known to use and abuse cheap undocumented foriegn labor. And save us the no American wants it bull. There would be at the right price. Funny how alot of you uber conseratives are all about the free markets except the market for thier own employees.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44981628

'Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay.'



...jms, you obviously wouldn't shun a job because it's your belief no one would. that's simply not the case. undocumented workers come here for jobs that are available, at pay that's better than they can get elsewhere. many who live here on the other hand think such work is demeaning-which is why the jobs are available in the first place.
why do you think there really hasn't been anything done to stem the tide of illegals? i guarantee you we could stop it. raids are performed-on places paying under the table, thus no money to the feds. the ones who pay, and send money for ss-they don't get raided.

[dino]

Now just what does Occupy Wall Street have to do with unemployment? If it had anything to do with unemployment they wouldn't be protesting because it would make thier Liberal/Socialist savior look bad.
No only did the BILLIONS in job creation money not create any jobs but he also gave BILLIONS to Wall Street to bail them out.
Just curious if there is anyone out there that actually things this bum has done a good job?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dino

Now just what does Occupy Wall Street have to do with unemployment? If it had anything to do with unemployment they wouldn't be protesting because it would make thier Liberal/Socialist savior look bad.
No only did the BILLIONS in job creation money not create any jobs but he also gave BILLIONS to Wall Street to bail them out.
Just curious if there is anyone out there that actually things this bum has done a good job?

He who? George Bush who started the whole bail out Wallstreet fiasco? To answer your question vis a vis Obama. I think he has done an awful job. I expected more yet got another career politician.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44981628

'Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay.'



...jms, you obviously wouldn't shun a job because it's your belief no one would. that's simply not the case. undocumented workers come here for jobs that are available, at pay that's better than they can get elsewhere. many who live here on the other hand think such work is demeaning-which is why the jobs are available in the first place.
why do you think there really hasn't been anything done to stem the tide of illegals? i guarantee you we could stop it. raids are performed-on places paying under the table, thus no money to the feds. the ones who pay, and send money for ss-they don't get raided.

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

no need to get snarky. i quoted your post, above, where you said people have no issue with taking advantage of h1b's. i've been to the backside of tracks, it was a cross section of people, just like anywhere else.

h1b's make the choice they make; it's not forced on them. many come here because it's better than where they are, they make more money here than where they are. they don't come here as indentured servants-that's ridiculous. obviously if it wasn't worth their while, they wouldn't come!
everything is based on supply and demand. if the money offered isn't enough, people don't take the offer. the offer rises. that's generally how things work-whereas in selling products, you state a price, if no takers you lower it.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no need to get snarky. i quoted your post, above, where you said people have no issue with taking advantage of h1b's. i've been to the backside of tracks, it was a cross section of people, just like anywhere else.

h1b's make the choice they make; it's not forced on them. many come here because it's better than where they are, they make more money here than where they are. they don't come here as indentured servants-that's ridiculous. obviously if it wasn't worth their while, they wouldn't come!
everything is based on supply and demand. if the money offered isn't enough, people don't take the offer. the offer rises. that's generally how things work-whereas in selling products, you state a price, if no takers you lower it.

Sorry if you thought I was Snarky but that is a pet peeve of mine. You totally didn't address the key part of my point. The indentured servitude, "so are you saying" it is fine for Americans to compete agains Quasi-Slave labor

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

Free market is at work. We find workers who are willing to work for the wages given. Pretty simple. The idea that because an employee is on a worker program or is undocumented they are abused or underpaid is typical liberal bullshit. My grooms make $500-700 per week depending on how many horses they care for. Riders between $700-1000 a week. Hotwalkers who only work 4-5 hours a day make $250 and are paid for any extra's they do. They are provided housing. I pay for their cable. They get vacations. They get bonuses when their horses hit the board. My assistants get rent checks. At most tracks they are provided some form of medical and dental coverage via the HBPA. They are covered against workplace injury by workmans compensation insurance. They can file for unemployment if they are laid off. What Danzig said was right, most Americans wont do this work because its too hard, too early, too hot, too cold, etc. The only Americans tht wind up on the backside are those who wnt to be trainers or those with no other real options.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Free market is at work. We find workers who are willing to work for the wages given. Pretty simple. The idea that because an employee is on a worker program or is undocumented they are abused or underpaid is typical liberal bullshit. My grooms make $500-700 per week depending on how many horses they care for. Riders between $700-1000 a week. Hotwalkers who only work 4-5 hours a day make $250 and are paid for any extra's they do. They are provided housing. I pay for their cable. They get vacations. They get bonuses when their horses hit the board. My assistants get rent checks. At most tracks they are provided some form of medical and dental coverage via the HBPA. They are covered against workplace injury by workmans compensation insurance. They can file for unemployment if they are laid off. What Danzig said was right, most Americans wont do this work because its too hard, too early, too hot, too cold, etc. The only Americans tht wind up on the backside are those who wnt to be trainers or those with no other real options.

You are really generous and everything you say is just great. You can pay them a million bucks however if their options are work for you as their sponsor or go home then it is not a free market and I will argue that point until put me in the ground.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are really generous and everything you say is just great. You can pay them a million bucks however if their options are work for you as their sponsor or go home then it is not a free market and I will argue that point until put me in the ground.

The terms are spelled out prior to them coming. I pay people by the amount of work done and the quality of that work regardless of their status as a H1B worker or not.