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[Danzig]

i think it's interesting that the patriot act is brought up with regards to the senate voting record, and instead of conceding the point, riot starts talking about everything except that senate vote...
the fact is that although on occasion, dems seem more inclined to support an individuals rights, you still have that vote referenced above, and of course a democratic president signing the defense of marriage act into law.
for votes, of course. not because the dems wanted to protect rights, but to protect their own phoney baloney jobs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's interesting that the patriot act is brought up with regards to the senate voting record, and instead of conceding the point, riot starts talking about everything except that senate vote...

LOL - what imaginary posts are you reading? No. I actually listed the House and Senate vote results. Just to show how Chuck's statement "virtually every Democrat in Congress" shouldn't be conceded, because it's simply demonstrably wrong.

How in the world is listing the actual votes (disproving Chuck's claim) "talking about everything except that vote"??? That's a crazy statement.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - what imaginary posts are you reading? No. I actually listed the House and Senate vote results. Just to show how Chuck's statement "virtually every Democrat in Congress" shouldn't be conceded, because it's simply demonstrably wrong.

How in the world is listing the actual votes (disproving Chuck's claim) "talking about everything except that vote"??? That's a crazy statement.

chuck wrote this:

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day


then he wrote this, re-iterating what i just linked above:

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.


but yeah, i'm just making it up.
anytime someone posts something you don't want to concede the point on, you start throwing a bunch of other stuff out there, as tho people will somehow forget the point being made because you attempt to muddy the waters...much like dell in the other thread posting a link about solyndra, so you start throwing out some republicans supposedly in on the deal, as tho others being involved removes some of the tarnish from your precious president and his dem cronies.
you can't explain or defend the 98-1 vote, so just throw out other garbage in an attempt to deflect.

[Riot]

Hang on, trying again under my sig:

Originally Posted by Danzig

chuck wrote this:

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day

then he wrote this, re-iterating what i just linked above:

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.

but yeah, i'm just making it up.

Yeah, he also wrote the below. So before you accuse me of something I didn't do (in fact, I did the opposite) maybe try reading the entire thread.

Chuck wrote:
Try addressing the fact that virtually every Democrat in Congress voted in favor of the single biggest infringement on civil rights in modern US history and an elected Democratic President with majorities in both the House and Senate did absolutely nothing about it.

So, yeah, my posting of the actual vote disproving the above was "muddying the waters" in your view? LOL Yeah, putting the facts out there is so "muddying".

link about solyndra, so you start throwing out some republicans supposedly in on the deal, as tho others being involved removes some of the tarnish from your precious president and his dem cronies.

"Supposedly?" LOL - yeah, well, I suggest you go check the Solandra thread. The mindless Obama-bashing is getting pretty old. And Obama happens to be your President, too.

[Danzig]

yes, riot, i said muddying because you could say nothing in regards to what chuck mentioned twice--the senate vote....just like doma, it sailed right thru. it doesn't fit with your perception, so you ignore it as tho it didn't happen. can't let anything affect the tint of those rose-colored glasses of yours.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, riot, i said muddying because you could say nothing in regards to what chuck mentioned twice--the senate vote....just like doma, it sailed right thru. it doesn't fit with your perception, so you ignore it as tho it didn't happen. can't let anything affect the tint of those rose-colored glasses of yours.

I didn't address the Senate vote. I addressed his false characterization of "the Congress", and even listed the Senate vote there.

You trying to make it seem like I was referring to the Senate only is beyond absurd. You falsely saying I am "muddying the waters" by posting the actual vote to point out his false characterization of the Congress is absurd. You saying I ignored it is absurd. Talk about "rose-colored glasses"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - what imaginary posts are you reading? No. I actually listed the House and Senate vote results. Just to show how Chuck's statement "virtually every Democrat in Congress" shouldn't be conceded, because it's simply demonstrably wrong.

How in the world is listing the actual votes (disproving Chuck's claim) "talking about everything except that vote"??? That's a crazy statement.

49 out of 50 Democratic senators voted yes for the Patriot Act
That would be 98%
145 out of 207 Democratic Representatives voted yes for the Patriot Act
That would be 70%

So please explain to me how I was "demonstrably" wrong? 8 out of 10 Democratic Congressmen voted FOR the Patriot act including 98% of the Senators yet you want to contest my statement? LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

49 out of 50 Democratic senators voted yes for the Patriot Act
That would be 98%
145 out of 207 Democratic Representatives voted yes for the Patriot Act
That would be 70%

So please explain to me how I was "demonstrably" wrong? 8 out of 10 Democratic Congressmen voted FOR the Patriot act including 98% of the Senators yet you want to contest my statement? LOL

Coming from the guy who thinks there's been no attacks on abortion rights or worker rights recently I think it's pretty self explainatory that your attempt to falsely color the Patriot Act as an overwhelming majority of Democratic culpability is laughable.

Oh, and include the renewal of the Patriot Acts' three provisions - who was against that?

And I'll point out that once again, as is your wont, you've avoided discussing the question, and created a false straw man diversion. Can't debate the subject, huh? Here was the comment you were trying to answer by changing the subject to the Patriot Act.

I said: "That's right, Tea Party, your rights have been removed, in a very real manner, and you haven't even noticed, being distracted by shiny birth certificates and Muslim Communists dangled before you by GOP-TV"

Do you have anything to address regarding a political faction who purports to "defend liberty and Constitutional rights" while completely ignoring their factual removal? Other than to try and re-write history to make the Patriot Act the result of those darn Democrats?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Coming from the guy who thinks there's been no attacks on abortion rights or worker rights recently I think it's pretty self explainatory that your attempt to falsely color the Patriot Act as an overwhelming majority of Democratic culpability is laughable.

Oh, and include the renewal of the Patriot Acts' three provisions - who was against that?

And I'll point out that once again, as is your wont, you've avoided discussing the question, and created a false straw man diversion. Can't debate the subject, huh? Here was the comment you were trying to answer by changing the subject to the Patriot Act.



Do you have anything to address regarding a political faction who purports to "defend liberty and Constitutional rights" while completely ignoring their factual removal? Other than to try and re-write history to make the Patriot Act the result of those darn Democrats?

no, the patriot act was most definitely something passed by both parties. not just one, and certainly not just the other. a disgrace that belongs too all our wonderful leaders. yep, they know what's best for us peons.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, the patriot act was most definitely something passed by both parties. not just one, and certainly not just the other. a disgrace that belongs too all our wonderful leaders. yep, they know what's best for us peons.

Tell that to Chuck. He thinks it was a Democratic thing. I was the one that posted the article link about how all branches of government, and all parties, have been corroding our rights. You know, I'm "one of those people".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Tell that to Chuck. He thinks it was a Democratic thing. I was the one that posted the article link about how all branches of government, and all parties, have been corroding our rights. You know, I'm "one of those people".

You are "one of those people". I pointed out that Democrats voted overwhelmingly for the Patriot Act and you attempt to dispute that and now are making false assertions because you don't want to face the truth.

GOP.tv remember?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, the patriot act was most definitely something passed by both parties. not just one, and certainly not just the other. a disgrace that belongs too all our wonderful leaders. yep, they know what's best for us peons.

She refuses to admit that the Democrats voted overwhelmingly FOR the Patriot Act. No one ever made any insinuation other than that despite Riot's attempt to twist.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She refuses to admit that the Democrats voted overwhelmingly FOR the Patriot Act. No one ever made any insinuation other than that despite Riot's attempt to twist.

yes, i know.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Coming from the guy who thinks there's been no attacks on abortion rights or worker rights recently I think it's pretty self explainatory that your attempt to falsely color the Patriot Act as an overwhelming majority of Democratic culpability is laughable.

Oh, and include the renewal of the Patriot Acts' three provisions - who was against that?

And I'll point out that once again, as is your wont, you've avoided discussing the question, and created a false straw man diversion. Can't debate the subject, huh? Here was the comment you were trying to answer by changing the subject to the Patriot Act.



Do you have anything to address regarding a political faction who purports to "defend liberty and Constitutional rights" while completely ignoring their factual removal? Other than to try and re-write history to make the Patriot Act the result of those darn Democrats?

Do you take stupid pills? I made no references to anything except showing that the Democrats were just as complicit in passing the Patriot act as the GOP. 49 out of 50 Democratic senators said yes. You want to talk about removal od civil liberties and call the Patriot Act a "strawman"? How about this is the first place to start.

Of course then you deflect to the Tea Party which has nothing to do with the Patriot act or those who passed it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you take stupid pills?

It's pretty apparent you can't follow a thread. But if trying to insult me as a "mentally deficient radical" makes you feel smart, have at it.

I made no references to anything except showing that the Democrats were just as complicit in passing the Patriot act as the GOP. 49 out of 50 Democratic senators said yes. You want to talk about removal od civil liberties and call the Patriot Act a "strawman"? How about this is the first place to start.
Of course then you deflect to the Tea Party which has nothing to do with the Patriot act or those who passed it.

Stupid pills? I was talking about the Tea Party not paying attention to what has happened in this country, and you go off on me about the Patriot Act.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's pretty apparent you can't follow a thread. But if trying to insult me as a "mentally deficient radical" makes you feel smart, have at it.



Stupid pills? I was talking about the Tea Party not paying attention to what has happened in this country, and you go off on me about the Patriot Act.

The posts are black and white. Explain how the Democrats voted for the Patriot Act and havent done anything to change it since gaining control which they have since lost? Talking about the erosion of civil liberties and NOT using the patriot act is folly.