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[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You may simply be bat crazy.

I'm a full fledged socialist, where do I rank on the crazy meter?? Should I be committed to an institution?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm a full fledged socialist, where do I rank on the crazy meter?? Should I be committed to an institution?

Guantanamo Bay or Jacobs field. You make the call.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm a full fledged socialist, where do I rank on the crazy meter?? Should I be committed to an institution?

I dunno. You source a serious threat for universal health care. And civil liberties for all.

Here's a great opinion piece by a college history teacher, talking about how his class was astounded to realize how seriously their 4th amendment rights (search and seizure, citizenship, voting, etc.) have been recently removed and eroded.

(That's right, Tea Party, your rights have been removed, in a very real manner, and you haven't even noticed, being distracted by shiny birth certificates and Muslim Communists dangled before you by GOP-TV)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...ek?via=siderec

A good long piece, with specific examples and detail, but some excerpts:

On a whim, I mentioned that the Supreme Court had decided a few months ago that a warrant is no longer necessary for police to enter your home if they believe you might be destroying evidence (Kentucky v. King).

I pointed out the various ways in which all three kinds of citizenship are being eroded today, not just by fringy wingnuts, but by presidential candidates themselves, by Congress, and by the Supreme Court. Again, my students were astonished. They didn’t know about the Citizens United decision, which gave corporations more citizenship rights than individuals by allowing them to contribute unlimited amounts of money to campaigns. They didn’t know that another recent court decision prevents class-action lawsuits by workers against large corporations (Wal-Mart v. Dukes). They didn’t know that some state legislatures had passed laws this year preventing college students from voting in their college towns. They didn’t know that their own elected representatives had argued this summer on the floor of the House that poor women shouldn’t have access to abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or endangerment to the mother. They didn’t know about the efforts to eliminate Social Security and Medicare.

There was widespread alarm in the classroom. In fact, it got downright loud as students turned to each other and expressed their dismay—but that was a good thing. Sometimes I like it when my classroom gets loud. In this case it meant that my students were excited and talking about things they didn’t know before.

[Cannon Shell]

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day.

What's funny is that an opinion piece in the Daily Kos was more balanced than basically any post by Riot. After reading the piece it seemed as though the writer purposely avoided holding a particular party (GOP 99% of the time in any Daily Kos piece) responsible as in his/her opinion the erosion of civil liberties has been occuring for a long time. Naturally this sentiment wasn't conveyed by Riots post. But hey thats what happens when you actually read the links.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day.

What's funny is that an opinion piece in the Daily Kos was more balanced than basically any post by Riot. After reading the piece it seemed as though the writer purposely avoided holding a particular party (GOP 99% of the time in any Daily Kos piece) responsible as in his/her opinion the erosion of civil liberties has been occuring for a long time. Naturally this sentiment wasn't conveyed by Riots post. But hey thats what happens when you actually read the links.

LOL - and more balanced than any post by you, too Yes, I read the link, which is why I posted it. Even the part where I directly quoted the different sources of our removal of liberties (something you apparently didn't even notice before you attacked me for, you know, not doing that?)

I'm frankly surprised you read it at all, rather than dismiss it out-of-hand because it was posted on the KOS website. Good for you.

Yes, make the argument that the Democratic Party and those nasty "lefties" have been the ones spearheading the removal of our civil liberties generally. Wait, let me get some popcorn.

How Chuck's mind works:

Riot made a post link about how all of government is eroding our civil liberties.
Riot even quotes part of the post that says this.

But Chuck says Riot couldn't have read the post she posted, because Riot doesn't think all of government is eroding our civil liberties. Even though Riot just posted a post that said the opposite, and emphasized it.

In other words, no matter what I actually say or do, Chuck will freely attribute the opposite to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - and more balanced than any post by you, too Yes, I read the link, which is why I posted it. Even the part where I directly quoted the different sources of our removal of liberties (something you apparently didn't even notice before you attacked me for, you know, not doing that?)

I'm frankly surprised you read it at all, rather than dismiss it out-of-hand because it was posted on the KOS website. Good for you.

Yes, make the argument that the Democratic Party and those nasty "lefties" have been the ones spearheading the removal of our civil liberties generally. Wait, let me get some popcorn.

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.

Yes, that was, you know, sort of the point I made with the link.

Duh.

We'll now let you tell us how the Democrats and those "lefties" are taking away our civil liberties: voting rights, abortion rights, unionization rights, worker protections, etc:













Crickets.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, that was, you know, sort of the point I made with the link.

Duh.

We'll now let you tell us how the Democrats and those "lefties" are taking away our civil liberties: voting rights, abortion rights, unionization rights, worker protections, etc:













Crickets.

So the Democrats that voted for the Patroit act werent really Democrats or the Patriot act wasn't that bad? Has the head Democrat moved to repeal that? Oh thats right he hasn't.

Blame, blame, blame, rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm a full fledged socialist, where do I rank on the crazy meter?? Should I be committed to an institution?

No but if you're a socialist, registered as a republican and find George Costanza of Seinfeld, attractive. You should hook up with Riot.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No but if you're a socialist, registered as a republican and find George Costanza of Seinfeld, attractive. You should hook up with Riot.

If you think I'm a Socialist, you're even more clueless about what the word means than I thought

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you think I'm a Socialist, you're even more clueless about what the word means than I thought

Clueless?

The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.

These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.

Your holy grail! What above do you not agree with/believe in?

All of it, a majority, a minority or none will suffice as an answer.

A shrink would charge hundreds for what I have just given to you for free.

BTW Great work lately! Love watching implosions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Clueless?

Your holy grail! What above do you not agree with/believe in?

This part: you know, the very definition, that comes before all you wrote, above: Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.

Again: if you think I'm a Socialist, you're even more clueless about what the word means than I thought. A seventh-grade teacher would have made you sit through a history class for what I've just given you for free. Oh, wait - you've supported firing all the evil teachers. That must explain why you couldn't manage to even quote the definition of socialism when required, even using google.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

This part: you know, the very definition, that comes before all you wrote, above: Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.

It's OK you're not lost unless/until you look up. LMAO

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's OK you're not lost unless/until you look up. LMAO

Your laughing your ass off that you don't know the definition of socialism? Or trying to cover up for the fact that you are completely wrong, that in no way do I or have I ever advocated an economic system in which the means of production are either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively - and you know it.

See, I really don't see why you being stupid and silly and wrongly calling me a socialist, while you clearly don't have a clue what a "socialist" is, requires me to be insulted. LMAO, but it's at your ignorance.