Obama tells asthmatic kids to take one for the economy

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i agree with his move...as an aside, i am not sure why taking federqal dollars has become anathema. the fed should never have become the clearinghouse for our money, taking in billions and then 'bestowing its largesse'. its our money, not the feds money.

It becomes an anathema - rather, blatant hypocrisy - when the person - in this instance, Rick Perry - publicly says it is an anathema to his supporters, over and over, making that a campaign stand and making it the very subject of his most recent book, "Fed Up!", and a heavy dose in his previous book.

But then he takes that money. For high-speed rail. Or to balance his repeatedly overdrawn budget (while he credits his own self for that and campaigns upon it)

And it is "the feds" money, because our Constitution gives us the power to collect taxes for our common good. "Largesse" is a strange choice of words. We live in a cooperative society, that we agree to all contribute towards financially. It is one of the major differences between the articles we had before the Constitution, and what they fine-tuned the Constitution to include.

[Danzig]

i have been studying us history a lot lately, my current focus is the civil war era. however, i have also done a lot of reading about this countrys founding. the fed was never meant to be the bloated thing it has become, a collector and redistributor of tax money. local pols trumpeting their success at getting 'federal funds' while everyone ignores how the fed got those funds to begin with. i get your point tho about pols decrying taking money and then touting that receipt of funds. but the issue should really be the system itself. it makes no sense.
matter of fact, as far as money redistribution goes, and how it makes NO sense...look at homeland security. when they started parceling that money out, you had communities screaming for their fair share, when in fact many of those communities arent any target at all..so then legit targets dont get enough to cover their needs. its a joke.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

... the fed was never meant to be the bloated thing it has become, a collector and redistributor of tax money.

....look at homeland security. when they started parceling that money out, you had communities screaming for their fair share, when in fact many of those communities arent any target at all..so then legit targets dont get enough to cover their needs

I agree with alot of what you said, above.

I just read a fascinating article. Written by "Mike Lofgren retired on June 17 after 28 years as a Congressional staffer. He served 16 years as a professional staff member on the Republican side of both the House and Senate Budget Committees."

It outlines, very succinctly and clearly, as I've not otherwise seen, the current state of disruptive politics in this country, in Washington, the goals and behind-the-scenes plans of the current Republican party (and evangelical interaction) and tells why he retired now. A bit long, but worth it.

And no, he doesn't like or favor Democrats.

"Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult"
Saturday 3 September 2011
by: Mike Lofgren, Truthout | News Analysis

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all...ult/1314907779

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with alot of what you said, above.

I just read a fascinating article. Written by "Mike Lofgren retired on June 17 after 28 years as a Congressional staffer. He served 16 years as a professional staff member on the Republican side of both the House and Senate Budget Committees."

It outlines, very succinctly and clearly, as I've not otherwise seen, the current state of disruptive politics in this country, in Washington, the goals and behind-the-scenes plans of the current Republican party (and evangelical interaction) and tells why he retired now. A bit long, but worth it.

And no, he doesn't like or favor Democrats.

"Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult"
Saturday 3 September 2011
by: Mike Lofgren, Truthout | News Analysis

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all...ult/1314907779

Seriously? Truthout? lol

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously? Truthout? lol

God, no, don't read that website, just read this one article

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It becomes an anathema - rather, blatant hypocrisy - when the person - in this instance, Rick Perry - publicly says it is an anathema to his supporters, over and over, making that a campaign stand and making it the very subject of his most recent book, "Fed Up!", and a heavy dose in his previous book.

But then he takes that money. For high-speed rail. Or to balance his repeatedly overdrawn budget (while he credits his own self for that and campaigns upon it)

And it is "the feds" money, because our Constitution gives us the power to collect taxes for our common good. "Largesse" is a strange choice of words. We live in a cooperative society, that we agree to all contribute towards financially. It is one of the major differences between the articles we had before the Constitution, and what they fine-tuned the Constitution to include.

Is every topic going to lead to you knocking Perry now? I guess you ran out of Palin material?

I don't remember agreeing to contribute financially to society.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is every topic going to lead to you knocking Perry now? I guess you ran out of Palin material?

I don't remember agreeing to contribute financially to society.

Palin is an idiot, she's done. Barely hanging on to trying to be a celebrity now that Rupert has no interest left in her. Perry I find dangerous due to the Dominionist connection (see the preachers present at his recent prayer meeting). I won't vote for someone who thinks his god comes before my country. That's Perry, Bachmann, Palin.

You agree to spend when we elect officials to office. A challenge to the IRS years ago determined that you have to still pay taxes, even if you don't like everything the government does

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Palin is an idiot, she's done. Barely hanging on to trying to be a celebrity now that Rupert has no interest left in her. Perry I find dangerous due to the Dominionist connection (see the preachers present at his recent prayer meeting). I won't vote for someone who thinks his god comes before my country. That's Perry, Bachmann, Palin.

You agree to spend when we elect officials to office. A challenge to the IRS years ago determined that you have to still pay taxes, even if you don't like everything the government does

we agree to spend because we elect officials? lol not quite...but if that is the case, then we should have the option to keep an office vacant to avoid poor financial decisions by pols.
i think your logic here is flawed. our govt is supposed to be of, for, by...they are supposed to be good stewards of our resources. they are not supposed to be people who rule over us with heavy hands, telling the little people that they know best.

[joeydb]

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So you are pleased with Obama on this issue?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are pleased with Obama on this issue?

I'll be more pleased if he actually does allow more drilling, in addition to the pipelines, AND increase our refining capacity, AND get the drilling back in the gulf.

I'll be ecstatic if he gets drilling in ANWR.

More U.S. oil, less imports.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

our govt is supposed to be of, for, by...they are supposed to be good stewards of our resources. they are not supposed to be people who rule over us with heavy hands, telling the little people that they know best.

Exactly why I will probably never vote Republican again

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Exactly why I will probably never vote Republican again