Dutrow Filly - Four Races In 12 Days

[Seattleallstar]

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

[Calzone Lord]

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!






We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Adjusted for inflation -- $35,975 from 1899 would equal $930,096 today. Nice coin - for a plodder.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!






We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

Yes, but the real question is... did he have a good home?
But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

Yes, but the real question is...


















































Did he have a good home?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Yes, but the real question is...


















































Did he have a good home?

He was forced to live out his days banging "common mares" in Upper Mexico ...

so ...

I'd have to say no.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

The game is on the verge of collapse.

The NY politicians are already trying to get their hands on the NYRA franchise (again) before the 1st slot machine is even plugged in
The KY politicians are completely on the take and the KHRA is trying its best to do as much internal damage as possible.
IL racing is getting a stay of execution but the Gov is an idiot and will probably kill the slots bill which means that after the current money runs out...CDI will be looking to sell
IN racing is a 6 month a year mirage that will soon see the state take more of their money. Unlike some other racino states the horseman/breeders aren't very strong polticially
MD racing is relying on Stronach...need I say more?
CA racing is dying a slow, contentious death.
NJ racing is on a 5 year lease with an openly hostile Gov who is firmly in the pocket of Atlantic City
How long can FL racing maintain? Racing at Calder is surely on the chopping block as soon as CDI can dump it. GP is a stronach track. Tampa is great for everyone but the people paying to put on the show. How much longer can that last?
TX racing is dead
LA racing is the definition of regional.
Racing in PA is run at 3 tracks owned by 3 different companies that are actively trying to marginalize racing as much as they can (and aren't even trying to hide it) and will move to eliminate it using the putrid growth as evidence why. Do you really think Penn National gaming (a billion dollar casino company) is stupid enough to not realize the takeout levels are ridiclous?
Racing in OH is beyond minor league and slipping
Racing in WV is fine as long until some libtard attacks the coal business again and the state loots the tracks slot money to pay for something that the reduction in tax revenues doesn't.
Racing in WA and OR is already fairly pointless
Racing in VA is hardly solid
Racing in MA is one step above the fairs which dont even exist anymore
Management at Delaware Park eliminated a $150k stake and didn't even bother to tell anyone. They would be very happy to close up shop and just be a casino/golf course

So the JClub commissions a $2 million dollar study and they tell us we need facebook, rebates and network tv.

Uh yeah it is going to get worse...because the only survivors will be the worst "spacing" offenders...maybe...

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

Mark Shuman?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mark Shuman?

Mark Shuman what?

[Calzone Lord]

Lake would run his horses -- he just wouldn't train them much I guess... just leave them in the stall and inject away they'd say.

Lake was absolutely miserable with routers. His ROI numbers in routes were totally brutal from a massive sample size.

With speed sprinters -- he was a God.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.