Dutrow Filly - Four Races In 12 Days

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

4 races in 12 days? That's not excessive?

Maybe, but she ran first and second in the two prior starts while stepping up in class. It wasn't like he dropped her in for 20k and she was eased. It still was a starter allowance (where she caught a turf course that was labeled good). Was it excessive? Probably, but like Hoss said it's easier to say that now. I want to believe that it's a bigger deal than it should be just because it's Dutrow.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Maybe, but she ran first and second in the two prior starts while stepping up in class. It wasn't like he dropped her in for 20k and she was eased. It still was a starter allowance (where she caught a turf course that was labeled good). Was it excessive? Probably, but like Hoss said it's easier to say that now. I want to believe that it's a bigger deal than it should be just because it's Dutrow.

Ding! Winner!

I'm no fan of Dutrow but the horse seemed fine and competitive in the 2 starts under his care - the 3rd, well the horse was eased, but was fine and walked back to the barn with no noticeable issues and did not require an ambulance - there is no evidence at all to suggest the reason was a result of the quick turnaround - that is nothing but random speculation and typical Paulick sh.it-stirring with no evidence to back any of it up...

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

Sorry if I choose see the glass half full - but the OMG MEANY HORSEY GUY witch hunt bullsh.it is unfounded in my opinion.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

As an FYI, under NY claiming rules, they couldn't drop the filly until the thirty-day "jail" period expires (meaning that they have to run her for at least 25% above the claiming price for the first thirty days after the claim).

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As an FYI, under NY claiming rules, they couldn't drop the filly until the thirty-day "jail" period expires (meaning that they have to run her for at least 25% above the claiming price for the first thirty days after the claim).

Yup and after the first win for 75, they could have dropped to 50 if their plan was to use up the horse and cut - the fact that they chose two protected conditions just further illustrates the point that this horse has value and there wasn't some insidious plan to ruin it by running it back quickly...

[Calzone Lord]

[Seattleallstar]

ahh the good ol days! It was even better when 3yr olds would run in the wood,bluegrass, derby trial then the KY Derby

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Ding! Winner!

I'm no fan of Dutrow but the horse seemed fine and competitive in the 2 starts under his care - the 3rd, well the horse was eased, but was fine and walked back to the barn with no noticeable issues and did not require an ambulance - there is no evidence at all to suggest the reason was a result of the quick turnaround - that is nothing but random speculation and typical Paulick sh.it-stirring with no evidence to back any of it up...

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

Sorry if I choose see the glass half full - but the OMG MEANY HORSEY GUY witch hunt bullsh.it is unfounded in my opinion.

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

[Seattleallstar]

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

[Calzone Lord]

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!






We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Adjusted for inflation -- $35,975 from 1899 would equal $930,096 today. Nice coin - for a plodder.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!






We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

Yes, but the real question is... did he have a good home?
But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

Yes, but the real question is...


















































Did he have a good home?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

The game is on the verge of collapse.

The NY politicians are already trying to get their hands on the NYRA franchise (again) before the 1st slot machine is even plugged in
The KY politicians are completely on the take and the KHRA is trying its best to do as much internal damage as possible.
IL racing is getting a stay of execution but the Gov is an idiot and will probably kill the slots bill which means that after the current money runs out...CDI will be looking to sell
IN racing is a 6 month a year mirage that will soon see the state take more of their money. Unlike some other racino states the horseman/breeders aren't very strong polticially
MD racing is relying on Stronach...need I say more?
CA racing is dying a slow, contentious death.
NJ racing is on a 5 year lease with an openly hostile Gov who is firmly in the pocket of Atlantic City
How long can FL racing maintain? Racing at Calder is surely on the chopping block as soon as CDI can dump it. GP is a stronach track. Tampa is great for everyone but the people paying to put on the show. How much longer can that last?
TX racing is dead
LA racing is the definition of regional.
Racing in PA is run at 3 tracks owned by 3 different companies that are actively trying to marginalize racing as much as they can (and aren't even trying to hide it) and will move to eliminate it using the putrid growth as evidence why. Do you really think Penn National gaming (a billion dollar casino company) is stupid enough to not realize the takeout levels are ridiclous?
Racing in OH is beyond minor league and slipping
Racing in WV is fine as long until some libtard attacks the coal business again and the state loots the tracks slot money to pay for something that the reduction in tax revenues doesn't.
Racing in WA and OR is already fairly pointless
Racing in VA is hardly solid
Racing in MA is one step above the fairs which dont even exist anymore
Management at Delaware Park eliminated a $150k stake and didn't even bother to tell anyone. They would be very happy to close up shop and just be a casino/golf course

So the JClub commissions a $2 million dollar study and they tell us we need facebook, rebates and network tv.

Uh yeah it is going to get worse...because the only survivors will be the worst "spacing" offenders...maybe...

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

I got your back homie.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Scav

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

Just read that exchange.

Oh my god.

I had a nice laugh that the person you were arguing with's profile picture is her and her bottle of Aqua Net hairspray.

On one hand, as you said, you have to admire their thought. But most of them are so ignorant about what really goes on that it ruins it. Then again, these are the same people that talk to horses on their facebook pages as if the horses are logging in and reading them.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Just read that exchange.

Oh my god.

I had a nice laugh that the person you were arguing with's profile picture is her and her bottle of Aqua Net hairspray.

On one hand, as you said, you have to admire their thought. But most of them are so ignorant about what really goes on that it ruins it. Then again, these are the same people that talk to horses on their facebook pages as if the horses are logging in and reading them.

I should have known better to even get involved, but I saw the Calzone Prince starting some **** on the NYRA page and I had to start.

Plus, I really believe what I'm saying, they have no business trying to tell people when to run a horse or not run a horse, especially one that was hitting the board. I would actually agree with them probably if the horse was entered in another turf race. What I found hilarious is when I talked about 'enhancing a horse's performance' it completely flew over their head.