Santa Anita set to land 2012 Breeders’ Cup

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

I hope you end up being the one who makes the argument to hold the BC at Belmont some day. Other than the "world class" argument (which you made three times), your other "points" are ridiculous. Just because it CAN hold 100,000 is irrelevent. It doesn't draw that many on BC day. And the handle that you described as "very strong" is lower than the handle would be at Churchill. Your point about being closer for Euros to ship is silly since Louisville is only another two hours by air. And say what you want about the weather. In 2001 at Belmont, it was friggen awful. And I suppose it can rain anywhere, so I won't bring up 2005.

Finally, saying that a race being run at one turn vs. two turns is "irrelevant" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have read on this site in a long time.

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

Don't assume that he can spell horse.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

While I think having as many races as possible break from in front of the grandstand is a good thing, my main point here is that there is a major difference between one and two-turn races. Forget for a minute that I am the one making this point. Can you people at least agree that there is a difference between one and two-turn races, and that we would see one two-turn dirt race (Marathon) over two days if the BC was at Belmont?

I'm not anti-NY, and I don't have an ax to grind. That's why I proposed Aqueduct.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

While I think having as many races as possible break from in front of the grandstand is a good thing, my main point here is that there is a major difference between one and two-turn races. Forget for a minute that I am the one making this point. Can you people at least agree that there is a difference between one and two-turn races, and that we would see one two-turn dirt race (Marathon) over two days if the BC was at Belmont?

I'm not anti-NY, and I don't have an ax to grind. That's why I proposed Aqueduct.

My response doesn't have anything to do with the statement being from you. Having been to multiple Breeders' Cups sitting in the grandstand the majority of the people I've run into are racing fans. They understand the game and have not been the types that care about where races start. Is the statement you made valid? Sure, Belmont is very unique and horses who have been running around two turns all year will have to make an adjustment. The good thing is that there's a terrific stakes program in NY where they can test out handling a one-turn 8.5-9fs.

As for the weather argument, perhaps I'm just not the type to ever entertain that thought since I live in one of the most miserable places in the country from May-September (sometimes more). If its in the 30s on race day it could be a lot worse and I'm fully expecting it to be chilly at Churchill this year.

[Danzig]

what's the benefit of a race being over two turns rather than one? how does it affect the quality of the race? just because two turns is the norm doesn't make it better.

[Kasept]

Paul Moran sounds a perfectly toned response to the Breeders' Cup location quandry..

Breeders' Cup takes step toward failure
By Paul Moran

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Paul Moran sounds a perfectly toned response to the Breeders' Cup location quandry..

Breeders' Cup takes step toward failure
By Paul Moran

The Breeders' Cup by design is a moveable feast, intended by its founders to showcase the sport to a wide live audience. Before it was hijacked by those now at the helm, it was orchestrated as intended -- in Illinois, Texas, Canada, New Jersey and Florida as well as Kentucky, California and New York.

BINGO. That's how I would like to see it, making the rounds and not at the same track in consecutive years (even though it will allow me to be at the event for two consecutive years).

[pointman]

I had the opportunity to listen to Sanan this morning. He came across like a cheap used car salesman trying to sell the Breeder's Cup nonsense. I would love to hear why the Breeder's Cup would lose millions by coming to New York instead of just the general claim by a snake oil salesman.

The Moran article is spot on, very nice piece.