We're Doomed, He Hasn't a Clue

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

well keep some then. I've never bought a house so I dont have experience with that.

but I think there should be a flat tax rate.. and no loopholes. maybe some deductions allowed, I never claimed to know everything!

but it really pisses me off when I have friends with kids get back more than what they paid in. that shouldnt happen.

I agree: Flat tax, no deductions. Make 10x as much, pay 10x as much. Make half as much, pay half as much.

Put in a poverty line, and anything above that line gets taxed at one uniform rate. No bracket creep. Simple - anyone who can do elementary math will know what to pay. No complex accounting.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree: Flat tax, no deductions. Make 10x as much, pay 10x as much. Make half as much, pay half as much.

Put in a poverty line, and anything above that line gets taxed at one uniform rate. No bracket creep. Simple - anyone who can do elementary math will know what to pay. No complex accounting.

Agree but AICPA lobbying money will shut that down.

[Danzig]

everyone should contribute-even if it's a negligible amount. perhaps more people would care about the goings on in washington if they felt they were actually a part of it-rather than just getting from it. it's supposed to be by,of, from the people, not just some of the people...


as for the house tax-i have a house i don't own in full as yet, but i use the standard deduction, so it has no bearing on me. however, it does have on others, and with the housing market being as anemic as it is, i'd hate for them to do anything that would exacerbate the problem.

[dino]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree: Flat tax, no deductions. Make 10x as much, pay 10x as much. Make half as much, pay half as much.

Put in a poverty line, and anything above that line gets taxed at one uniform rate. No bracket creep. Simple - anyone who can do elementary math will know what to pay. No complex accounting.

I have wanted a flat tax for years but we will never have one because we have too many leaches that don't want to pay any taxes and live off the middle class and rich.
If that bum Obama ever voted for a flat tax he would lose 3/4 of the people that voted for him because all of a sudden they would have to contribute something and that sure as hell would never happen.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dino

I have wanted a flat tax for years but we will never have one because we have too many leaches that don't want to pay any taxes and live off the middle class and rich.
If that bum Obama ever voted for a flat tax he would lose 3/4 of the people that voted for him because all of a sudden they would have to contribute something and that sure as hell would never happen.

Your HATERED for Obama is blinding you to the fact that the "Rich" would be the most negativley impacted as most through deductions pay much less than they would via a flat tax and the "Bums" really won't be impacted all that much becuase they probably can't hire the teams of accounts to find said loopholes now. But feel free to make all the worlds troubles about Obama...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dino

I have wanted a flat tax for years but we will never have one because we have too many leaches that don't want to pay any taxes and live off the middle class and rich.
If that bum Obama ever voted for a flat tax he would lose 3/4 of the people that voted for him because all of a sudden they would have to contribute something and that sure as hell would never happen.

What current non-taxpayers "want" is irrelevant. They WILL pay something, if somebody like me gets to truly reform (read as "rewrite") the tax code.

At least with a flat tax rate and no deductions, there's no more class warfare. Everyone pays an equally "fair" share since everyone is paying the same proportional amount of their income. And there would be no barriers to continued growth or success built into the tax code.

[Clip-Clop]

I have no hatred for this President (no more than any before him any way). This gov't is a complete disaster and needs a square one approach. The Onion had an article a few weeks ago about giving the Fed a red ball because that was something it could handle playing with rather than anything complex. Great satire and a sad truth exposed.
The bureaucracy that has gone on for too long has created a system that needs constant feeding, it is similar to what happens to celebrity chefs. They start out great cooking great food, move onto TV, open a new restaurant nearby, get another TV show, open a restaurant in Vegas, another TV show and so on. Now they have this conglomerate of people and business that need to be fed at all times. This is the progression of a good idea when placed in the wrong hands for too long. Eventually it causes a downgrade in the product and service and nobody notices because they are eating at such and such's restaurant so it doesn't matter. Meantime he is nowhere to be found, not watching over, not leading the kitchen. Sure you can see him on the VS channel with his race horses but what about the food, huh?

[Antitrust32]

leave Bobby Flay alone!! haha

[Danzig]

just don't let him call any more races.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

leave Bobby Flay alone!! haha

Sorry, venting. Was in Vegas last week and ate at Mesa (at the ceaseless prodding of a Star***ker friend). Back when I lived/worked in NYC I used to go to Bolo all the time and that was such an amazing little place. I was disappointed is all.

It does relate though.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I have no hatred for this President (no more than any before him any way). This gov't is a complete disaster and needs a square one approach.

The first thing to do would be to aggressively get all the corporate money out of elections. All the GOP, and half the Dems, are simply wholly-owned corporate subsidiaries.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The first thing to do would be to aggressively get all the corporate money out of elections. All the GOP, and half the Dems, are simply wholly-owned corporate subsidiaries.

really? only half the dems? insert head into sand.

even Obama is a wholly-owned corporate subsidiary.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dino

I have wanted a flat tax for years but we will never have one because we have too many leaches that don't want to pay any taxes and live off the middle class and rich.
If that bum Obama ever voted for a flat tax he would lose 3/4 of the people that voted for him because all of a sudden they would have to contribute something and that sure as hell would never happen.

LOL - a flat tax has been part of the progressive platform for years.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - a flat tax has been part of the progressive platform for years.

neither party really embraces it, but it's more of a conservative platform than progressive. Dick Armey (dead republican) was the guy who tried to push it through congress.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

neither party really embraces it, but it's more of a conservative platform than progressive. Dick Armey (dead republican) was the guy who tried to push it through congress.

They switch back and forth. Jim DeMint fully supported and recommended Obamacare just a few years ago, recommending that Romney's healthcare plan be made national, it was "so good"

Today Romney announced he thinks that corporations are people. Jeebus, save us from these empty heads and give us back our democracy.

"Corporations are people, my friend" (which makes total sense, except for that dang Citizen's United supreme court ruling) - video with heckling, here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_924426.html

[Antitrust32]

I work for a corporation that is made up of over 8,000 americans.

Yes, corporations are people.

[Antitrust32]

"Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

here's the actual quote instead of a cherry picked line. what doesnt make sense?