Gov. Walker costs Wisconsin millions

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

apparently you think cutting spending in one area to pay for another project is Magic. Now I know why you support Obama so much. You'd fit in perfect in "status-quo Washington".

You're right, I didn't mention cutting spending. That is because the Wisconsin budget already seems slashed to the bone by Walker.

Walker could fire some more teachers, I guess.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're right, I didn't mention cutting spending. That is because the Wisconsin budget already seems slashed to the bone by Walker.

Walker could fire some more teachers, I guess.

To be fair Walker did not fire any teachers. The only teachers that lost their jobs are as a result of their union not willing to compromise. But again it is all about the kids

Still waiting for proof that high speed rail will be profitable or even self sustainable....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

To be fair Walker did not fire any teachers. The only teachers that lost their jobs are as a result of their union not willing to compromise. But again it is all about the kids

That's not true. Do you even read your papers in your state? The teachers' union immediately agreed to all Walker's budget cuts in their pension and health care. Immediately. Why are you saying differently? That's not remotely true.

Still waiting for proof that high speed rail will be profitable or even self sustainable....

Are you going to hold your breath? Your previous legislature thought it would be a great thing for the state, as do all the other states that accepted it. Illinois sure jumped on taking the extra money Wisconsin turned down. Gov. Walker says no, and turned it down.

Guess you'll just have to wait 10 years to see the actual outcome.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not true. Do you even read your papers in your state? The union immediately agreed to Walker's budget cuts in their pension and health care. Immediately.



Are you going to hold your breath? Your previous legislature thought it would be a great thing for the state, as do all the other states that accepted it. Illinois sure jumped on taking the extra money Wisconsin turned down. Gov. Walker says no, and turned it down.

Guess you'll just have to wait 10 years to see the actual outcome.

The only teachers that lost their jobs were from MPS who ram rodded their contracts in before the bill passed and refused to reopen them. All of the districts that implemented Walkers reforms are seeing benefits and many are even seeing surplusses. Yes the poor teachers actually had to contribute a very small portion to their pension(which most people don't even have) and a small portion of their cadillac health insurance.

Please show me anything that stated that high speed rail would even be self sustainable. Do you know that the "L" in chicago which is highly used is not self sustainable?

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Please show me anything that stated that high speed rail would even be self sustainable.

http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/passenger/2243.shtml

Of course, you'll have to click on through and read the in-depth projections and financial pages of course.

But you have already made up your mind. Your governor agrees. Other governors and states disagree.

So you just need to stand by for 10 years or so, at the ready to hop in and say, "I told you so!" if the project fails

Do you know that the "L" in chicago which is highly used is not self sustainable?

LOL - that's about as logical an argument as saying that because the Edsel failed as a car, the current model that Ford is working on for 2013 won't make a profit, either.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/passenger/2243.shtml

Of course, you'll have to click on through and read the in-depth projections and financial pages of course.

But you have already made up your mind. Your governor agrees. Other governors and states disagree.

So you just need to stand by for 10 years or so, at the ready to hop in and say, "I told you so!" if the project fails



LOL - that's about as logical an argument as saying that because the Edsel failed as a car, the current model that Ford is working on for 2013 won't make a profit, either.

Your right I am wrong. High speed rail is the future. Who wouldn't be willing to dish out $50+ dollars to go from Milwaukee to Madison and then have to find a cab or bus line or other transportation once I get there. Never mind the fact that it wouldn't stop at Miller Park, State Fair Park or any reasonable destination.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your right I am wrong. High speed rail is the future. Who wouldn't be willing to dish out $50+ dollars to go from Milwaukee to Madison and then have to find a cab or bus line or other transportation once I get there. Never mind the fact that it wouldn't stop at Miller Park, State Fair Park or any reasonable destination.

Geeshus cripes. Grow the eff up and stop with the passive aggressive whiner crap. We are talking about a concrete project. Some say it will never pay or be worthwhile (you, Walker). Some say it will (me, other states).

People make an objective assessment based upon available data and go forward from that, and the project goes forward.

Sorry, no matter how much you want it to be true, you can't declare it a success or a failure until the damn thing at least exists. Sorry, concrete projects are not subject to the whims of your political beliefs, no matter how determined you are to assess it within those parameters rather than via objective date.

Yeah - we'll know the final outcome in 10 years or so, after it actually exists, and is up and running for a while.

Geeshus cripes, is thinking really too ****ing hard nowadays?