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07-20-2011, 05:32 PM
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“Wisconsin has added 26,400 private-sector jobs, including 13,100 manufacturing jobs, since Governor Walker declared Wisconsin open for business,” Those are kind of truly amazing figures, compared to the number of jobs added nationally. Got a reference for where Secretary B. got those figures? Edit: LOL never mind, I found it. Seems there are some "technicalities" in the way they figure jobs (as everyone does) And the 10,800 people who lost their jobs in April are generously called "additional people who entered the labor force to take advantage of opportunity". I hope Wisconsin gets job growth. I hope everyone gets job growth, and quickly! You guys now have multiple millions over the budget to pay back to pay for your train upkeep. Yikes! Big spending by your Governor, to borrow millions and millions you don't have. http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsrel...pril_state.pdf
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07-20-2011, 06:09 PM
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your thought process amazes me. its almost like you dont understand where the federal tax money comes from. "dont do it yourself, force someone else to pay for it"
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07-20-2011, 06:13 PM
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Guess you didn't read my previous posts in the thread? Guess not. You know, where I said, "Now you'll just have to divide your personal cost share between the population of Wisconsin (dollars), rather than the population of the United States (pennies)"
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07-20-2011, 06:16 PM
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07-20-2011, 06:23 PM
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Just pulled that figure out of clear air, huh?  Try and follow this: Walker now has to borrow a little over $24 million to pay for necessary essential upgrades. That $24 million was in the federal grant. Walkers state bonds don't get the rate US Treasury Bonds do for the cost of borrowing that money, btw. So it's more expensive money, to the citizens of Wisconsin, than taking the federal money. That's just a given up front. The citizens of Wisconsin now have to pay for that $24 million on the state level, divided only among the taxpayers of Wisconsin. Rather than pay their share of that $24 million through their federal taxes, divided among millions more people, the taxpayers of the United States. Now, your argument is that it is better to pay their share of only $24 million, and not have the equipment upgrades, new trains, new track, new lines which you say won't make profit, jobs, etc; than pay their share of the greater cost among the 50 states. Well, Walker agrees with you.
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07-20-2011, 06:26 PM
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thats not how it works, Ms person who skews everything to try and justify her garbage.
810 million dollar grant. thats what you've been arguing Wisconsin should have accepted the entire arguement. dont skew now. 810 millions dollars paid for by the maybe 100 millon taxpayers. $8.
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07-20-2011, 06:28 PM
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i certainly didnt pull it out of thin air. I actually took it from you and only you.
Madison - The Legislature's budget committee voted 12-2 Tuesday to spend $31.6 million on the Milwaukee-to-Chicago passenger rail service, costs that could have largely been paid by a federal grant that would have extended passenger rail from Milwaukee to Madison. Democrats backed the passenger rail measure. But they pointed to an estimate from the Legislature's nonpartisan budget office that found that at least $22.4 million of the additional costs stem from Republican Gov. Scott Walker's move to cancel an $810 million high-speed rail line connecting Madison to Milwaukee and Chicago. Sen. Lena Taylor (D-Milwaukee) called the canceled contract an example of "Walker math" that is costly for the state. "We had an opportunity to take advantage of federal funding in one of the tightest budgets in years," Taylor said. [snip ... ] That brings the total cost of the train car acquisition to roughly $70 million, about 47% more than the original $47.5 million price tag, according to the department's funding request. But former Transportation Secretary Frank Busalacchi, who served under Doyle, has said most of the costs would have been covered by an $810 million federal stimulus grant awarded to Wisconsin last year to extend the Hiawatha to Madison, as part of a larger plan for high-speed trains connecting Chicago to the Twin Cities and other Midwestern destinations. Walker, however, campaigned against the 110-mph route and after his election in November opposed it as governor-elect. The federal government then yanked the funds. After the original grant was withdrawn, the Walker administration unsuccessfully sought $213.3 million in federal money earlier this year for Hiawatha upgrades, including additional trains, retrofitting the Talgo plant as a permanent maintenance base and improving the tracks between the plant and the downtown Amtrak station. The costs of building and equipping both the temporary and permanent maintenance bases would have been covered by the $810 million federal grant. That grant also would have paid for more train cars and locomotives, which would have been serviced at a $52 million permanent base in Madison.
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07-20-2011, 06:29 PM
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I said: "Now, your argument is that it is better to pay their share of only $24 million, and not have the equipment upgrades, new trains, new track, new lines which you say won't make profit, jobs, etc; than pay their share of the greater cost among the 50 states. Well, Walker agrees with you." Now, if you want to get an accurate number, don't forget to add interest to the $810 million grant, and spread it over 10 years.
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