Women's World Cup

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Listen, the braves still have a few years to go until they get there. they are young and have no limits.

If you are going on overall pitching (including bullpen) you have a good arguement. Based on what we have been talking about (rotation) I'd personally take the Giants over the Braves. Braves would 3rd best IMO.

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Cole Hamels: 132 innings; 2.32 ERA; 121 SO; 24 walks

Cliff Lee: 137.1 innings; 2.82 ERA; 137 strike outs; 29 walks

Roy Halladay: 143.1 innings; 2.45 ERA; 138 SO; 17 BB

Vance Worley: 49 innings; 2.20 ERA; 37 SO; 20 BB

Roy Oswalt: 71.1 innings; 3.79 ERA; 42 SO; 18 BB

Kendrick has started 7 times with a 3.58 ERA and Blanton was only around 6 games before he went on the DL and had a terrible 5.5 ERA. neither of the two have been regulars. we often skip the 5th starter if there is a day off

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens: 110.2 innings; 1.87 ERA; 65 SO; 25 BB

Tommy Hanson: 103.1 innings; 2.44 ERA; 109 SO; 35 BB

Brandon Beachy: 67.1 innings; 3.21 ERA; 78 So; 15 BB

Tim Hudson: 113.1 innings; 3.57 ERA; 79 SO's; 30 BB

Derek Lowe: 113 innings; 4.30 ERA; 81 SO's; 41 BB

Mike Minor started 6 times with a 4.59 ERA and Teheran started twice with a 5.19 ERA


Giants:

Let Timmy Smoke: 123.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 132 SO; 45 BB

Matt Cain: 126.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 105 SO; 33 BB

Ryan Vogelsong: 91.1 innings; 2.17 ERA; 70 SO; 32 BB

Jonathan Sanchez: 89.2 innings; 3.81 ERA; 92 SO; 59 BB

Bumgarner: 104.2 innings; 3.87 ERA; 92 SO; 27 BB

Zito started 6 times with a 3.18 ERA


Totals of the main 5 pitchers in the rotations (throwing out Kendrick, Blanton, Minor, Teheren and Zito)


Phillies: 532.3 innings; average 2.71 ERA; 475 SO; 108 BB

Braves: 506.5 innings; average 3.07 ERA; 412 SO; 146 BB

Giants: 533.7 innings; average 3.19 ERA; 491 SO; 196 BB



so...... its an educated opinion that is supported by facts. except for now that I look at the whole picture, I might take the Braves over the Giants, close call though. Phillies ahead by a decent margin, especially when you factor in the SO/BB. this pretty much settles the arguement.


as far as overall team ERA: Phillies have a 3.02, Braves 3.11; Giants i believe are 3.17

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Cole Hamels: 132 innings; 2.32 ERA; 121 SO; 24 walks

Cliff Lee: 137.1 innings; 2.82 ERA; 137 strike outs; 29 walks

Roy Halladay: 143.1 innings; 2.45 ERA; 138 SO; 17 BB

Vance Worley: 49 innings; 2.20 ERA; 37 SO; 20 BB

Roy Oswalt: 71.1 innings; 3.79 ERA; 42 SO; 18 BB

Kendrick has started 7 times with a 3.58 ERA and Blanton was only around 6 games before he went on the DL and had a terrible 5.5 ERA. neither of the two have been regulars. we often skip the 5th starter if there is a day off

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens: 110.2 innings; 1.87 ERA; 65 SO; 25 BB

Tommy Hanson: 103.1 innings; 2.44 ERA; 109 SO; 35 BB

Brandon Beachy: 67.1 innings; 3.21 ERA; 78 So; 15 BB

Tim Hudson: 113.1 innings; 3.57 ERA; 79 SO's; 30 BB

Derek Lowe: 113 innings; 4.30 ERA; 81 SO's; 41 BB

Mike Minor started 6 times with a 4.59 ERA and Teheran started twice with a 5.19 ERA


Giants:

Let Timmy Smoke: 123.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 132 SO; 45 BB

Matt Cain: 126.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 105 SO; 33 BB

Ryan Vogelsong: 91.1 innings; 2.17 ERA; 70 SO; 32 BB

Jonathan Sanchez: 89.2 innings; 3.81 ERA; 92 SO; 59 BB

Bumgarner: 104.2 innings; 3.87 ERA; 92 SO; 27 BB

Zito started 6 times with a 3.18 ERA


Totals of the main 5 pitchers in the rotations (throwing out Kendrick, Blanton, Minor, Teheren and Zito)


Phillies: 532.3 innings; average 2.71 ERA; 475 SO; 108 BB

Braves: 506.5 innings; average 3.07 ERA; 412 SO; 146 BB

Giants: 533.7 innings; average 3.19 ERA; 491 SO; 196 BB



so...... its an educated opinion that is supported by facts. except for now that I look at the whole picture, I might take the Braves over the Giants, close call though. Phillies ahead by a decent margin, especially when you factor in the SO/BB. this pretty much settles the arguement.


as far as overall team ERA: Phillies have a 3.02, Braves 3.11; Giants i believe are 3.17

And like I said, you're entitled to it. As I also said in my very first post on the topic, the three are close enough that one could argue that the Braves (or Giants as you've added) have had a better overall rotation than the Phillies this year. I've never even said the Braves are actually definitively better; I simply made the point that it's not beyond the realm of possiblity that they are.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

And like I said, you're entitled to it. As I also said in my very first post on the topic, the three are close enough that one could argue that the Braves (or Giants as you've added) have had a better overall rotation than the Phillies this year. I've never even said the Braves are actually definitively better; I simply made the point that it's not beyond the realm of possiblity that they are.

you actually can not argue that they have had a better overall rotation if you look at the facts I posted.

you can only argue that they are close. Phillies numbers are just better at this point in the season.