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Antitrust32 · #1 07-12-2011, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

They are? I'm not even sure their rotation is the best in baseball right now, let alone best of all time as folks were predicting preseason.

I need to come back and address what might be the dumbest sports comment of all time. (next to vick cant lead a team to the playoffs???)

Lets see..

Oswalt is injured, but Halladay, Hamels, Lee... top 3 in innings pitched for their league, by FAR the most complete games in baseball. Their COMBINED ERA IS 2.53 I'll repeat that. 2.53 31-13 record and the team is 40-17 in games they started. they've gone at least 7 innings in 44 of their 57 starts. They are 3 of the top 5 in strikeouts and also are have a great Strike out to walk ratio. 3 of the top 9 in all of baseball for the WAR stat (Halladay #1, Hamels #6, Lee #9) all of them all stars and also all three would be in the top 5 of Cy Young candidates (Halladay would probably get the Cy young right now. JJ of the braves has more wins (by 1) and a lower ERA... but halladay has pitched 1/3 more innings then him... I'll repeat again.. 1/3 more innings, like twice the amount of strike outs and 6 complete games compared to 2 for JJ.

So we have 3 of the top 9 starters in all of baseball but we're not the best rotation??? you sir, have a plain old wrong opinion. Even braves, redsox and yankee fans would disagree with you.

Your comment proved you have no leg to stand on so maybe your not even worth debating baseball with.

Antitrust32 · #2 07-12-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I need to come back and address what might be the dumbest sports comment of all time. (next to vick cant lead a team to the playoffs???)

Lets see..

Oswalt is injured, but Halladay, Hamels, Lee... top 3 in innings pitched for their league, by FAR the most complete games in baseball. Their COMBINED ERA IS 2.53 I'll repeat that. 2.53 31-13 record and the team is 40-17 in games they started. they've gone at least 7 innings in 44 of their 57 starts. They are 3 of the top 5 in strikeouts and also are have a great Strike out to walk ratio. 3 of the top 9 in all of baseball for the WAR stat (Halladay #1, Hamels #6, Lee #9) all of them all stars and also all three would be in the top 5 of Cy Young candidates (Halladay would probably get the Cy young right now. JJ of the braves has more wins (by 1) and a lower ERA... but halladay has pitched 1/3 more innings then him... I'll repeat again.. 1/3 more innings, like twice the amount of strike outs and 6 complete games compared to 2 for JJ.

So we have 3 of the top 9 starters in all of baseball but we're not the best rotation??? you sir, have a plain old wrong opinion. Even braves, redsox and yankee fans would disagree with you.

Your comment proved you have no leg to stand on so maybe your not even worth debating baseball with.

I like how you havent touched the post that is filled with FACTS, slotidiot.

slotdirt · #3 07-12-2011, 08:51 AM

Here's a fact: rotations are more than three guys. Are there rainouts every fourth and fifth day when the Phillies play? Because based on your post, one would think that only Lee, Halladay, and Hamels - all great pitchers - are the only ones ever taking the mound for the Phils.

Antitrust32 · #4 07-12-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Here's a fact: rotations are more than three guys. Are there rainouts every fourth and fifth day when the Phillies play? Because based on your post, one would think that only Lee, Halladay, and Hamels - all great pitchers - are the only ones ever taking the mound for the Phils.

okay we can talk about Vance Worley. 2.20 ERA

Kendrick is a spot starter who's won games and has a 3.58 ERA

Oswalt and Blanton have spent the majority of the season on the DL... though before Oswalt was hurt and pitched hurt a few times, he had a 2.6ERA. he pitched in 4 more games when injured and balooned his ERA to 3.79

yeah, that really helps your arguement

slotdirt · #5 07-12-2011, 08:54 AM

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I like how you havent touched the post that is filled with FACTS, slotidiot.

P.S. - why did you lie? Halladay isn't #1 in baseball for WAR for pitchers. Verlander is (by a lot).

Antitrust32 · #6 07-12-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

P.S. - why did you lie? Halladay isn't #1 in baseball for WAR for pitchers. Verlander is (by a lot).

oh yeah?

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2011&month=0

who's the liar?

Halladay #1, Hamels #6, Lee #9

Verlander is 4th.

slotdirt · #7 07-12-2011, 09:02 AM

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...pitching.shtml

Right back at you, toots. Verlander #1.

Antitrust32 · #8 07-12-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...pitching.shtml

Right back at you, toots. Verlander #1.

you know what is funny. your little link shows that the phillies have the best pitchers in baseball!!! 19.2 WAR atlanta is second

suck on that!

Antitrust32 · #9 07-12-2011, 09:13 AM

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you know what is funny. your little link shows that the phillies have the best pitchers in baseball!!! 19.2 WAR atlanta is second

suck on that!

the end

you even proved that you are wrong

Cannon Shell · #10 07-13-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

P.S. - why did you lie? Halladay isn't #1 in baseball for WAR for pitchers. Verlander is (by a lot).

According to fangraphs that is not true

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2011&month=0

Philadelphia has 3 of the top 9 in baseball. There really isnt any question of who has the best rotation when you consider how well Worley has pitched
4-1 with a 2.20 era since Oswalt was hurt. If you include Oswalt and (shckingly) Kendrick how can you possibly deny Philadelphia has the best starters in baseball? Because fat Joe Blanton had 6 bad starts?

And do you seriously think 99% of managers and GMs would take Verlander over Halladay the difference in age not withstanding? Really?

slotdirt · #11 07-13-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

According to fangraphs that is not true

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2011&month=0

Philadelphia has 3 of the top 9 in baseball. There really isnt any question of who has the best rotation when you consider how well Worley has pitched
4-1 with a 2.20 era since Oswalt was hurt. If you include Oswalt and (shckingly) Kendrick how can you possibly deny Philadelphia has the best starters in baseball? Because fat Joe Blanton had 6 bad starts?

And do you seriously think 99% of managers and GMs would take Verlander over Halladay the difference in age not withstanding? Really?

Considering Verlander is six years younger than Halladay, absolutely. How can age be not withstanding when we're talking about building a rotation today? Halladay probably has no more than five years left of above average pitching; Verlander probably has double that.

Anyway, It's not like I'm on some island saying Verlander has eclipsed Halladay as the best pitcher in baseball in 2011:

Tim McCarver just said it the other day (not that his opinion means much).

Gerardo Parra of the Diamondbacks called him the best pitcher in baseball after a start last month.

A CBSSports blog from last month quotes scouts as saying with game seven of the World Series on the line, they'd rather have Verlander on the mound than anybody else.

In any event, does his career match up to Halladay to this point? Absolutely not - Halladay is a 1st ballot HOF-er, as far as I'm concerned. But is he a better pitcher than Halladay today, July 13th, 2011? I think a lot of folks in baseball would probably say yes.