WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riot maybe you can lobby the KY legislature to do the same. It might keep your mind off pubic workers' unions in distant states.

You contention that people that don't live in a state can't care what happens there is ridiculous and silly.

I've very happy New York legalized gay marriage. The GOP Governors union-busting agenda is being implemented in multiple states, and I'm quite happy to help people in those states fight the removal of individual freedom.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser needs to resign immediately. Assaulting a judge is a felony in Wisconsin. He has committed physical assault on a coworker. He has a history of verbal abuse in the workplace. He could be brought up under Title VII.

Do you agree or not?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You contention that people that don't live in a state can't care what happens there is ridiculous and silly.

I've very happy New York legalized gay marriage. The GOP Governors union-busting agenda is being implemented in multiple states, and I'm quite happy to help people in those states fight the removal of individual freedom.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser needs to resign immediately. Assaulting a judge is a felony in Wisconsin. He has committed physical assault on a coworker. He has a history of verbal abuse in the workplace. He could be brought up under Title VII.

Do you agree or not?

I'm happy for the New York law and think it should be the law of the land.

Prosser didn't assault anyone. And oooooo verbal abuse and title 7?

You have a current, US President who has our troops, fighting a illegal war, under the command of a foreign entity, yet he claims there is no war, despite there being tape and you're concerned with a story of a Supreme Court Justice from a State not your own, who assaulted an underling?

Blinks On!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm happy for the New York law and think it should be the law of the land.

To quote another poster, you'd do better to stop interfering in New York, and pay more attention to Wisconsin

Prosser didn't assault anyone.

a Supreme Court Justice from a State not your own, who assaulted an underling?

Blinks on? ROFLMAO. You are commenting, but obviously didn't even bother to read the story - which is it, Dell? "Didn't assault anyone" or "assaulted an underling"

Factually, it's neither of your imagined scenarios: Prosser physically assaulted another Justice on the Supreme court

He absolutely needs to resign by end of business Monday.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

To quote another poster, you'd do better to stop interfering in New York, and pay more attention to Wisconsin





Blinks on? ROFLMAO. You are commenting, but obviously didn't even bother to read the story - which is it, Dell? "Didn't assault anyone" or "assaulted an underling"

Factually, it's neither of your imagined scenarios: Prosser physically assaulted another Justice on the Supreme court

He absolutely needs to resign by end of business Monday.

It allegedly happened in her chambers? Is she the only judge w/o a bailiff? He assaulted no one or she failed to report a crime. Considering their previous relationship I'll take the former.

BTW By your reponse I take it you DO think the alleged assault is more important than Lybia. Blinks On for sure!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It allegedly happened in her chambers? Is she the only judge w/o a bailiff? He assaulted no one or she failed to report a crime. Considering their previous relationship I'll take the former.

You still apparently haven't read any articles about what's happening with this, have you?

BTW By your reponse I take it you DO think the alleged assault is more important than Lybia.

And take my lack of reponse (sic) about unicorns to indicate I think Prosser was riding one when he attacked his fellow judge

Over/under on Prosser resignation: Weiner took three weeks, I'll bet Prosser is gone in two.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You still apparently haven't read any articles about what's happening with this, have you?



And take my lack of reponse (sic) about unicorns to indicate I think Prosser was riding one when he attacked his fellow judge

Over/under on Prosser resignation: Weiner took three weeks, I'll bet Prosser is gone in two.

Yea such big news it didn't even make the Gazette. He's going nowhere.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea such big news it didn't even make the Gazette. He's going nowhere.

Naw. Just NYTimes, Forbes, Associated Press, etc. National media attention forcing both candidates to make more detailed statements today more directly addressing the situation (Prosser of course blames his victim, the victim sez no, her neck did not attack him as he alleges). The police chief is addressing charges on Monday, too.

Yesterday's blockbuster headline that rightwing WI Supreme Court justice David Prosser may have committed battery against fellow justice Ann Walsh Bradley continues to make news, as both Prosser and Bradley have now released on the record statements giving their differing accounts of the incident.

Initially, both justices were circumspect in their reaction. When first contacted, Prosser reportedly said: "I have nothing to say about it" and Bradley also said "I have nothing to say."

Later in the day yesterday, however, as the media storm in Wisconsin gathered force, Prosser issued a statement:

"Once there's a proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear, the anonymous claim made to the media will be proven false. Until then I will refrain from further public comment."

Sources close to him then approached the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel anonymously, which reported his version like this:

According to [these sources], Bradley charged Prosser, who raised his hands to defend himself and made contact with her neck.

Those comments led to a full on the record statement by Bradley, as quoted in the Journal-Sentinel:

"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold. Those are the facts and you can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin."

Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases.

I'm confident the appropriate authorities will conduct a thorough investigation of this incident involving abusive behavior in the workplace.

While Bradley did an excellent job of calling out Prosser's "blame the victim" tactic, it's unfortunate she's choosing to describe the incident as abusive behavior in the workplace, rather than the felonious battery on a justice that Prosser appears to have committed.

Over the next day or two it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin Judicial Commission confirms that an investigation is underway. Its initial statement on the matter was to neither confirm nor deny, but now that both parties involved are on the record that something happened the Commission may in fact have to acknowledge that it has received a formal complaint. Its rules state:

"Should a complaint or investigation become known to the public, the Commission may issue a brief statement to confirm its pendency, clarify the procedural aspects of the proceedings, state that the judge denies the allegations, [etc.]"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The GOP Governors union-busting agenda is being implemented in multiple states, and I'm quite happy to help people in those states fight the removal of individual freedom.

Unions are an example of individual freedom?

Not in the real world

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions are an example of individual freedom?

Not in the real world

No. The right to unionize is a freedom. Being taken away by some.

BTW, I'm not a big fan of unions.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. The right to unionize is a freedom. Being taken away by some.

BTW, I'm not a big fan of unions.

And for public employees it should be taken away. Public servant unions are nothing but political bodies. This wasn't the intent of allowing workers to be protected. There are a myriad of rules and laws that already protect these workers.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And for public employees it should be taken away. Public servant unions are nothing but political bodies. This wasn't the intent of allowing workers to be protected. There are a myriad of rules and laws that already protect these workers.

I have no problem with public employees being unionized. It helps protect them from patronage, for example.

It's funny, my entire life both political parties praised teachers, talking about how they are the epitome of dedication to this country, how they are never paid enough for the tough and important job they do ... and this election season the Republicans are demonizing them. Sad. Well, I guess somebody has to pay for the GOP tax cuts to businesses, and demonizing unions is at the top of this election season's RGA playbook.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have no problem with public employees being unionized. It helps protect them from patronage, for example.

It's funny, my entire life both political parties praised teachers, talking about how they are the epitome of dedication to this country, how they are never paid enough for the tough and important job they do ... and this election season the Republicans are demonizing them. Sad. Well, I guess somebody has to pay for the GOP tax cuts to businesses, and demonizing unions is at the top of this election season's RGA playbook.

lol

No one knocks teachers but anyone who can't see the damage done to the education system by teachers unions just isnt looking very hard.

What is sad is tying tax cuts to businesses to teachers unions. Hardworking, job creators are suddenly the bad guys and fatcat union bosses are the good guys.

I have no issues with teachers and there is no question that they are a vital cog in our society but seriously the more cash we pour into the education system, the worse the results are. How anyone of any political affiliation can't see this and cant see what the bureaucratic mess created by the teachers unions has done is blind.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

lol
No one knocks teachers but anyone who can't see the damage done to the education system by teachers unions just isnt looking very hard.

And anyone who can't appreciate how teachers unions have kept people in teaching, classrooms a manageable size, etc. isn't looking very hard.

Good and bad to teachers unions, but remember that they don't dictate or bargain alone. Have to hold the other signers of the contracts equally responsible if something bad is there.

What is sad is tying tax cuts to businesses to teachers unions. Hardworking, job creators are suddenly the bad guys and fatcat union bosses are the good guys.

Just reading those newly-created Republican words off the playsheet?

If tax cuts help "job creators", 2000-2008 would have been a huge economic boom. It was a disaster. As the tax cuts during Reagan were.

Facts have a liberal bias.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

lol

No one knocks teachers but anyone who can't see the damage done to the education system by teachers unions just isnt looking very hard.

What is sad is tying tax cuts to businesses to teachers unions. Hardworking, job creators are suddenly the bad guys and fatcat union bosses are the good guys.

I have no issues with teachers and there is no question that they are a vital cog in our society but seriously the more cash we pour into the education system, the worse the results are. How anyone of any political affiliation can't see this and cant see what the bureaucratic mess created by the teachers unions has done is blind.

I should have read this post first!!

Where is the happy medium?? You can't put ZERO money into the education system can you?? What public schools are expected to do is unfathomable. They must take every single child no questions asked which charter/private schools don't have to do. It's nearly impossible to get perfect public schools. If you look at some of the kids in the system, it's a tough task. Yes, it can get better, but using standardized test as the only measure of success as is currently being done, it makes it very, very tough.