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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Look BTW everyone knows and respects your handicapping prowess and the work you do...but what makes you think he'd lap Kantharos?

Because Kantharos was slow and Uncle Mo was fast. It does get much simpler than that.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Because Kantharos was slow and Uncle Mo was fast. It does get much simpler than that.

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Boys at Tosconova was a very solid 2YO and Uncle Mo toyed with him. In any other year he would have been considered a juvenile sensation and early Kentucky Derby favorite.

Uncle Mo was an exceptional 2YO.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity? He was done racing before Uncle Mo ever went to the post...2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no? But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Now you are hanging on to there being some possibility that Kantharos would have improved over 10 lengths in a couple of months despite running three straight relatively consistent races. Yes, anything is possible, but based on actual performances, and Kantharos ran as many times as Uncle Mo, it would not have been close.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now you are hanging on to there being some possibility that Kantharos would have improved over 10 lengths in a couple of months despite running three straight relatively consistent races. Yes, anything is possible, but based on actual performances, and Kantharos ran as many times as Uncle Mo, it would not have been close.

Ran as many times yeah...but it was much earlier in his 2YO year plus he was a later foal than Uncle Mo. Obviously it is all hypothetical now but with the added time to mature there's no reason to believe he couldn't improve.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Ran as many times yeah...but it was much earlier in his 2YO year plus he was a later foal than Uncle Mo. Obviously it is all hypothetical now but with the added time to mature there's no reason to believe he couldn't improve.

His last race was about a week before Uncle Mo debuted.

You are grasping at straws.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His last race was about a week before Uncle Mo debuted.

You are grasping at straws.

OK I'll just wait for the next Meet The MO and move on. But running against bad maidens unpressured...there's no telling what he would've done to that field at that time of year.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

OK I'll just wait for the next Meet The MO and move on. But running against bad maidens unpressured...there's no telling what he would've done to that field at that time of year.

You pretend to want to have a discussion and then post nonsense like this.

I made a mistake. It won't happen again.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

2yos do improve rapidly with physical development as the year goes on sometimes no?

Doubtful Kantharos would have been one of them. He had the outright best unblinkered 1/4 mile time at OBS March. Those rocketships from the 2yo sales are typically the kind you want to bet early and forget about after a race or two.

Originally Posted by Duvalier

But seriously what do you think Uncle Mo beat as a 2 YO?

Everything he faced - and always very strong against the clock. He's also very tactical for an early speed horse. Boys at Toconvoa, in defeat. ran well enough to win more than a few prior editions of the BC Juvenile - and he was dusted - everything else was totally drowned.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Doubtful Kantharos would have been one of them. He had the outright best unblinkered 1/4 mile time at OBS March. Those rocketships from the 2yo sales are typically the kind you want to bet early and forget about after a race or two.

Interesting...didn't know about his OBS work. That's great info you provide with the sales works. I see what you're saying but I still think he didn't reach his ceiling. Ugh Aikenite

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Interesting...didn't know about his OBS work.

The horse who had the outright fastest unblinkered 2 furlong work at OBS March this year already debuted - she debuted in a 4.5f MSW race at Woodbine last month.

Somehow went off at 15/1 odds (maybe because she's a Consolidator filly and the race had a lot of nice pedigrees for a Canada 2yo race - who knows) anyway, she goes wire-to-wire at 15/1 odds. Gets DQ'd - pays $16.00 to place - the horse who got put up took no money and I ended up losing every ticket. Didn't even have something on it to place.

I went on a tour of the entire building complaining about it and showing my tickets. Even went over to the HPBA office and back to the barns to get all the sympathy I could.

[hockey2315]

As stated above, Kantharos was never the type of horse who could ever be relevant beyond his 2-year-old summer. . . injury or not. How anyone could possibly expect him to get better with time is beyond me.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

As stated above, Kantharos was never the type of horse who could ever be relevant beyond his 2-year-old summer. . . injury or not. How anyone could possibly expect him to get better with time is beyond me.

Of course it is...because you enjoy parroting DRF Formulator stats

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The horse who had the outright fastest unblinkered 2 furlong work at OBS March this year already debuted - she debuted in a 4.5f MSW race at Woodbine last month.

Somehow went off at 15/1 odds (maybe because she's a Consolidator filly and the race had a lot of nice pedigrees for a Canada 2yo race - who knows) anyway, she goes wire-to-wire at 15/1 odds. Gets DQ'd - pays $16.00 to place - the horse who got put up took no money and I ended up losing every ticket. Didn't even have something on it to place.

I went on a tour of the entire building complaining about it and showing my tickets. Even went over to the HPBA office and back to the barns to get all the sympathy I could.

That was the worst beat I've taken in a while. . . I had the exacta as a saver because I think the trainer of the eventual winner had good stats, but had everything weighted the other way and a big win bet. They're both running back in the stake on Saturday. The favorite from that race, who was bet off the board despite being trained by weak FTS trainer Bryan Lynch, is entered in a MSW a few races earlier.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

That was the worst beat I've taken in a while. . . I had the exacta as a saver because I think the trainer of the eventual winner had good stats, but had everything weighted the other way and a big win bet. They're both running back in the stake on Saturday. The favorite from that race, who was bet off the board despite being trained by weak FTS trainer Bryan Lynch, is entered in a MSW a few races earlier.

I've had a few of my worst beats recently when I've been at the track with the laptop.

Pet peeve - and some of the DT Patriotic types won't like this - but I FUCl<ING HATE that they play the national anthem 30 minutes before the live racing up here. It's stupid as sh!t when a whole bunch of racing is going on. They had it timed last summer - where the national anthem would always start playing during the running of Saratoga's 8th race.

So, you have to stand up, take off your hat, and take your eyes away from the TV to stare at the flag in the infield. And sometimes - a guy at another table will call you out if you don't and try to make you feel like an Al Qadia loving jackass.

Anyway - I was having a total meltdown type day. And low and behold - national anthem time. So, I stand up and start walking to the bathroom with a look of disgust on my face - all the while shouting

"Kazakhstan is the greatest, country in the world!,
All other countries are run by little girls.,
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium,
all other countries have inferior potassium."

One of the cooler tellers - who I always bitch about the national anthem to - is laughing his ass off and shouts "what a jerk! Honor the flag!"

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So there was no chance of Kantharos getting better with the added maturity?

Though - I guess you can say the fellow OBS March 2 furlong freak Aikenite from a year earlier - developed.