NBA Playoffs

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh please. The big difference was that the Mavs had a guy who found ways to score in the final six minutes and the Heat didn't. What the hell did Spoelstra do wrong?

I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

You said it was 'the big difference', which is insanity. Carlisle's a great coach, but Spoelstra did nothing wrong in this series.

[Dahoss]

Classy move by Wade shaking hands after the series. I didn't see Lebron doing it, because he seemed to rush off the court and the camera followed him to the locker room. Not saying he didn't do what Wade did, they just didn't show it. Anyone see him congratulating the other team after the game?

Also looked like Bosh broke down walking into the locker room a couple of times and was visibly crying.

James congratulated Kidd.

RuPaul crying? Shocking.

Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

Definitely. Happy for him.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

Definitely agree. And Dirk Nowitzki makes the NBA worth watching. Exudes class and couldn't be happier for him, especially after '06.

[King Glorious]

Very disappointing series from James. I still have no doubt in my mind that he's the most skilled player and overall best player in the game but mentally, he lacking a lot. That was not the way a champion or want to be champion goes down. It's one thing to lose but to do so without putting up your best fight is very disappointing to see. If I'm starting a team, I'd still chose him #1 overall because he is going to do the most of any player to put you in position to win but at this point, he just doesn't have what it takes to finish the job when the pressure is at its highest. That could change and all will be forgotten if Miami goes on to win three or four titles while he's there but his reputation took a huge hit with this loss and it has a long way to go to recover.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You said it was 'the big difference', which is insanity. Carlisle's a great coach, but Spoelstra did nothing wrong in this series.

Nothing wrong? He put Eddie house on Jason Terry. Miami went key stretches without any semblance of an offensive game plan. Those things aside, I am not pinning the series loss on spoelstra. I am merely crediting Carlisle with an outstanding job. Is it not possible that spoelstra could do a decent job but yet still get completely outcoached?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nothing wrong? He put Eddie house on Jason Terry. Miami went key stretches without any semblance of an offensive game plan. Those things aside, I am not pinning the series loss on spoelstra. I am merely crediting Carlisle with an outstanding job. Is it not possible that spoelstra could do a decent job but yet still get completely outcoached?

Big deal. He traded defense for offense, coaches often do that when their team is in a hole. Carlisle played Stojakovic and Cardinal over Corey Brewer this series and neither of those two could guard a folding chair. And Miami's offense is a mess at times mainly because neither LeBron nor Wade know how to play without the ball.

It sounds like you're pinning the loss on him if you say coaching was 'the big difference' in the series. The big difference was that Dallas had a closer and Miami didn't.

No disagreement that Carlisle coached a great series.

[randallscott35]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ga...ack_pages.html

I saw LeBron just recently and i asked him if he had change for a dollar.
He gave me 75 cents
I asked him "That's it???"
LeBron replied " Sorry i don't have a 4th Quarter."

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I saw LeBron just recently and i asked him if he had change for a dollar.
He gave me 75 cents
I asked him "That's it???"
LeBron replied " Sorry i don't have a 4th Quarter."

Oh no he didnnt

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Big deal. He traded defense for offense, coaches often do that when their team is in a hole. Carlisle played Stojakovic and Cardinal over Corey Brewer this series and neither of those two could guard a folding chair. And Miami's offense is a mess at times mainly because neither LeBron nor Wade know how to play without the ball.

It sounds like you're pinning the loss on him if you say coaching was 'the big difference' in the series. The big difference was that Dallas had a closer and Miami didn't.

No disagreement that Carlisle coached a great series.

Wade isn't a "closer"? That is news. From what I had heard, he was one of the best "closers" in the game...whatever that means.

Putting Eddie House on Jason Terry wasn't merely trading defense for offense. It was putting your worst perimeter defender against the other team's best offensive player (terry was their best offensive player last night and for other parts of the series). Why wasn't he matched up against Kidd as Van Gundy astutely pointed out or anyone else for that matter. That's coaching and at the times he was on Terry, they weren't in much of a hole although they were after a few minutes of that matchup.

If I say that Dirk Nowitzki outplayed Udonis Haslem and was "the big difference", does that mean that I am pinning the loss on Haslem? Of course not. I am merely stating the obvious. The same goes for the coach. Like Haslem, Spoelstra did a credible job during the series. He simply didn't have anywhere near the effect that Carlisle did for his respective team. He didn't have "skins on the wall" to garner the type of respect necessary from players like Lebron and Wade. Riley does. It will be a big difference next year if Riley is there.

You can't sum up what happened in this series to a few minutes down the stretch in every game. Do you play chess? The end game is merely a result of the opening and the middle. The Heat had two queens but the mavs had but one queen and a full compliment of pawns. Carlisle used his advantage of material to wear down the Heat's advantage in firepower.

The Heat had to work much harder on defense and by the late stages they were worn down especially in the last couple of games. It is undeniable that much of that had to do with the adjustments that Dallas made on the offensive end.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wade isn't a "closer"? That is news. From what I had heard, he was one of the best "closers" in the game...whatever that means.

Putting Eddie House on Jason Terry wasn't merely trading defense for offense. It was putting your worst perimeter defender against the other team's best offensive player (terry was their best offensive player last night and for other parts of the series). Why wasn't he matched up against Kidd as Van Gundy astutely pointed out or anyone else for that matter. That's coaching and at the times he was on Terry, they weren't in much of a hole although they were after a few minutes of that matchup.

If I say that Dirk Nowitzki outplayed Udonis Haslem and was "the big difference", does that mean that I am pinning the loss on Haslem? Of course not. I am merely stating the obvious. The same goes for the coach. Like Haslem, Spoelstra did a credible job during the series. He simply didn't have anywhere near the effect that Carlisle did for his respective team. He didn't have "skins on the wall" to garner the type of respect necessary from players like Lebron and Wade. Riley does. It will be a big difference next year if Riley is there.

You can't sum up what happened in this series to a few minutes down the stretch in every game. Do you play chess? The end game is merely a result of the opening and the middle. The Heat had two queens but the mavs had but one queen and a full compliment of pawns. Carlisle used his advantage of material to wear down the Heat's advantage in firepower.

The Heat had to work much harder on defense and by the late stages they were worn down especially in the last couple of games. It is undeniable that much of that had to do with the adjustments that Dallas made on the offensive end.

Stop it. The difference in this series was the last six minutes of each game. Dirk was lights out and the Heat tightened up. Only an idiot can't admit that.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Stop it. The difference in this series was the last six minutes of each game. Dirk was lights out and the Heat tightened up. Only an idiot can't admit that.

the only thing I'll add is Terry was lights out also.

Great team game from the Mavs.

Wade rose to the occassion but couldnt do it all by himself... LeBron looked like the 5th option on the team. you and hoss had it right.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Stop it. The difference in this series was the last six minutes of each game. Dirk was lights out and the Heat tightened up. Only an idiot can't admit that.

What is there to admit? I had the Mavs in 6. Its too simplistic to say that an entire team "tightened up" in every game in the final six minutes with the exception of the two games they won. How does that really make any sense? How does Dwyane Wade tightening up make any sense?

Dirk was lights out. So was Terry for that matter in the last few games. If I am reading you right, the final six minutes is all that mattered and the mavs were better for more games during the final six minutes than the heat were and that is because they are better "closers". Is that right? And does that make sense to someone like yourself who obviously understands the game?

The closing is just the product of what happened during the beginning and middle games. Same with football, boxing, chess or any other game that tests stamina of the mind and/or body. Only an idiot would deny this indelible truth.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

I agree. Carlisle was a mad genius. Barea started more games in the finals series than he had the entire season. When things were not going well, Carlisle completely changed his entire rotation. He put Cardinal in the rotation and got big minutes from him, Peja was completely nailed to the bench. It all worked like a charm for him. Stevenson played much better coming off the bench and had a great shooting series...over 50 pct from 3. It was a great series to watch and an even greater result. The Mavs played with zero fear.