NBA Playoffs

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything?

that had to do with you saying i was lying about the baseball closer comment being tongue in cheek. I easily know the difference.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nope. Doing nothing isn't part of the game. LeBron has been a non-factor in the fourth quarters of this series. Why is this so hard for people to deal with? Dirk is carrying his goddamn team on injured hands and LeBron, the best player in the world, is letting his teammate do all the work. Cut the bullshit. LeBron is great, but he's not even the best player on his team and he joined this team specifically so he could disappear in the clutch and still win a title.

LOL Lebron has been the MVP of the whole playoffs so far along with Dirk.

why do you hate him so much? cause he went to Miami?

[Antitrust32]

2010-2011 James has been the 4th most clutch player in the nba. averaging 45.1 points per 48 mintues of clutch time. ahead of him are only kobe, rose and williams from cleveland. nowitzki ranks 8th, durant 6th, wade 24th.

2009-2010 James was the most clutch player in the nba, averaging an insane 66.1 points per 48 minutes of cluch time. Kobe was 2nd with 51.2 points, dirk 3rd with 47.2 points.. James averages almost 20 points more per 48 minutes of clutch time. Wade ranked 22nd.

in 2008-2009, James was the 2nd most clutch player in the NBA, behind Kobe Bryant. Kobe averaged 56.7 points, amd james averaged 55.9 points. Wade was 4th with 49.2 points

2007-2008, James again was the most clutch basketball player in the NBA, averaging 56 points per 48 minutes of clutch time. kobe 2nd at 51.8 points, dirk 3rd with 46 points.

Since 2007, LeBron and Kobe have been the two most clutch players in the NBA. The facts are in this post.

Clutch is defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

http://82games.com/


that pretty much ends the debate. good luck debating those facts. or you can continue to cherry pick 3 games.

[Dahoss]

I think I get it, Lebron is Zenyatta. If you don't think he's the best, you're a hater. Avoid what the people are really saying and invent your own discussions. Don't actually read what people are saying (no one said he can't close or has never been a closer, just that he isn't the closer on THIS team), just read what you want to and call people haters.

Don't dispute what people are saying, just move the goalposts to an arguement that suits your agenda and then talk about how many basketball games you've watched. Then list "facts" that have nothing to do with the discussion.

How is Lebron's dancing?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Of course, sometimes he might pass it to the open player, or god forbit he actually misses a shot, but the notion that he's not a closer is insane. I do not agree with Hossy's opinion at all. Its just cherry picking because he doesnt like the guy.

You're becoming the CSC of the sports room. I never said he wasn't a closer. He just defers to the real closer (Wade) now in the finals because Wade is the closer. I don't care what politically correct nonsense Wade says during a press conference.

When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence?

Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't.

[Antitrust32]

LOL you're crazy. someone calls out your poor and biased opinion, and now I'm a Zenyatta fan? thats a heck of an arguement. you should feel proud of your debating. I'm not even a Miami Heat fan, but I dont hate LeBron like you an others do. I just see it for what it is. and check out the 2010-2011 stats I posted, Lebron is the closer for the Heat.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You're becoming the CSC of the sports room. I never said he wasn't a closer. He just defers to the real closer (Wade) now in the finals because Wade is the closer. I don't care what politically correct nonsense Wade says during a press conference.

When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence?

Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't.

I've pointed out why you are wrong over and over. If you can't read.. then just keep calling me a Zenyatta fan because thats the only argument you can come up with. The Heat are up 2-1 in the series, and all you guys come out with is Lebron is not clutch. its pretty ridiculous. You even caused MainCourse to have to defend Lebron!

[Antitrust32]

you have a bad opinion when you dont think strong defense and assists is closing out games.

[Antitrust32]

and it is big time cherry picking when you hang on three games and just plain leave out the fact that Lebron was the closer on the Miami Heat team when they crushed the Celtics and Bulls. You're like a Christian, just believe what you want to believe.

[Antitrust32]

and somehow Team basketball is shying away in the clutch? geez louis, thank god you're not a coach.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think I get it, Lebron is Zenyatta. If you don't think he's the best, you're a hater. Avoid what the people are really saying and invent your own discussions. Don't actually read what people are saying (no one said he can't close or has never been a closer, just that he isn't the closer on THIS team), just read what you want to and call people haters.

Don't dispute what people are saying, just move the goalposts to an arguement that suits your agenda and then talk about how many basketball games you've watched. Then list "facts" that have nothing to do with the discussion.

How is Lebron's dancing?

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You're becoming the CSC of the sports room. I never said he wasn't a closer. He just defers to the real closer (Wade) now in the finals because Wade is the closer. I don't care what politically correct nonsense Wade says during a press conference.

When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence?

Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't.

Mercy rule.

[Antitrust32]

^ so very clever

[Antitrust32]

Listen, I dont care who is the best in the world. LeBron is one of the best, if not the best in the world. You guys are so sure he isnt the best player in the world.. well who would you want on your team over him? The guy does it all. He's a top 3 defender and has a top 3 offensive game in the whole league. He is very clutch and takes games over. I would bet you that if there was a draft for any player in the league, at least 25 GM's would pick LeBron first.

[horseofcourse]

Wade did not close game 3, Bosh did. Quit immortalizing what Wade did that game. He was unable to make the shot after the Mavericks finally tied it. Bosh did. Wade played fine the first 10 minutes of the 4th but come closing time he had to rely on Chris Bosh. Guy can't close at all. Why will no one address the complete wimpiness of Jordan twice being unable to close games in the finals and relying on Kerr and Paxson?

[somerfrost]

The five best players in the NBA are James, Bryant, Wade, Dirk and Durrant. The top four can be ranked in any order (James, DWade, Dirk and Bryant)...it's silly to say any of these top four can't close. On the Heat, they also have a top 15 player in Bosh...saying this guy or that guy can't close and has to rely on Bosh is missing the point that Bosh is what he is...a top NBA player. What makes the Heat so scary is that they will have 3 closers for a long long time.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

LOL you're crazy. someone calls out your poor and biased opinion, and now I'm a Zenyatta fan? thats a heck of an arguement. you should feel proud of your debating. I'm not even a Miami Heat fan, but I dont hate LeBron like you an others do. I just see it for what it is. and check out the 2010-2011 stats I posted, Lebron is the closer for the Heat.

You know I love you, but you need some help with reading comprehension. I never said you were a Zenyatta fan. I compared the situations, where anyone who wouldn't annoint her as Best Evah were called haters. That is what you're doing here. I'm a hater and I hate Lebron because I don't think he's the bestest evah? That's a strong arguement

I don't hate Lebron. I just don't think he's the best player on his team, therefore IMO he isn't the best player in the world.

You keep putting words in my mouth in an effort to "win" but it isn't working. Defense and passing are huge. I'm not saying it isn't. Wade is pretty good at both also.

Sorry if I don't buy into stats that have Dirk 8th best clutch player in the league. I prefer watching games. No one watching games could possibly agree Dirk is 8th.

[Antitrust32]

who do you think would be the first player taken if there was a draft of all league players?

and the stats where Dirk ranks 8th, I'd say the top 25 or 30 players on that list are very clutch. That stat is just adding up all the points in "clutch situations". So if Dirk is averaging 40 plus points in clutch situations per 48 minutes, its still pretty damn good and very clutch. The stat basically shows that LeBron has been there with more points in crunch time than Wade has this year, eventhough Wade is still a top player in the league during the final 5 minutes when there is 5 points or less seperating the teams. Though I still feel that clutch defense is as important as clutch offense.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

who do you think would be the first player taken if there was a draft of all league players?

Probably Lebron. You still aren't addressing my point, but at least you didn't call me a hater.

Now I have a question for you. If they had an anonymous survey of NBA players and coaches and one player had to take the last shot with time winding down, where do you think Lebron would finish if it were between him, Kobe, Wade and Dirk?

In regards to the stats, with Lebron "closing out" games during the regular season do you think it's ironic that is when they had so many issues. The losing streaks, players crying after games....all while Lebron was "closing out" those games.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Probably Lebron. You still aren't addressing my point, but at least you didn't call me a hater.

Now I have a question for you. If they had an anonymous survey of NBA players and coaches and one player had to take the last shot with time winding down, where do you think Lebron would finish if it were between him, Kobe, Wade and Dirk?

In regards to the stats, with Lebron "closing out" games during the regular season do you think it's ironic that is when they had so many issues. The losing streaks, players crying after games....all while Lebron was "closing out" those games.

Kobe hands down would be the pick. I'd personally pick Lebron 2nd. Though I would have no problem with the ball in Dirk or Wade's hands.

and the 3rd paragraph, every season has ups and downs, so I dont find anything ironic. Especially when this is the first season the three have played together, and they have a weak bench. They still won enough games to be the #2 seed.

Kobe
Wade
Toss up between Dirk and LeBron for 3rd.

That's being fair. Not a hater just don't feel he deserves the accolades. It's excessive and borderline hero worship.