NBA Playoffs

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so Brad Lidge is better than Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels?

One of the worst comparisons evah.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

One of the worst comparisons evah.

it was tongue in cheek. but the rest of my post wasnt. people look at scoring points as the only stat in basketball. pretty ridiculous. anyone who's played the game knows that defense is the #1 way to win games, and assists contribute highly to point totals. you can definately "close out a game" by providing shut down defense. LeBron is one of the best defenders, and passers in the game.

here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

it was tongue in cheek. but the rest of my post wasnt. people look at scoring points as the only stat in basketball. pretty ridiculous. anyone who's played the game knows that defense is the #1 way to win games, and assists contribute highly to point totals.

here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

Sure it was. Your next comparison was just as bad. No one is looking just at points. I'm not sure why you say that.

What you're either missing or purposely ignoring is no one denies he's ONE of the best players in the league. He obviously is. It's the title of Best in the World people dispute. When you defer to your teammates during crunchtime to make the plays to win, I don't see how you can be considered best in the world.

Jordan didn't and Kobe doesn't. Lebron does.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Sure it was. Your next comparison was just as bad. No one is looking just at points. I'm not sure why you say that.

What you're either missing or purposely ignoring is no one denies he's ONE of the best players in the league. He obviously is. It's the title of Best in the World people dispute. When you defer to your teammates during crunchtime to make the plays to win, I don't see how you can be considered best in the world.

Jordan didn't and Kobe doesn't. Lebron does.

dishing assists is NOT deferring to your teammates... it's creating plays. and if you do have a teammate who is as good as Wade, and said teammate is playing hot, why the heck would you not want the ball in his hands? The object is to win the game, not get a stamp of approval from the media and dahoss and ateam.


and what about the games that James has taken over in "crunchtime" and won throughout this years playoffs? You guys are cherry-picking your arguement off three games in the Finals, and even one where LeBron created the game winning play. Are you really not supposed to dish it to Bosh when he has a wide open look? it's a basketball TEAM for a reason. you're trying to say that a mans ego is more important than winning a game. Plus, you can "close out games" defensively, not just on offense.

I dont care about the whole "he's the single best player in the world". It's impossible to know and completely subjective. He might be the most talented basketball player in the world. But guys like Wade, Durant, Paul, Dirk, (Kobe before this year) etc are all amazing players, any day you could say either one of them is the best player in the world. Shoot, when Dwight Howard is on his game, he's basically unstoppable.


and it was completely tongue in cheek. I follow football, golf, and baseball very closely.. basketball not as closely but I played the damn sport for over 10 years and have played in hundreds of basketball games. If you dont think I know the difference between a closer in baseball and what you guys are refering to, I cant help you.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

dishing assists is NOT deferring to your teammates... it's creating plays. and if you do have a teammate who is as good as Wade, and said teammate is playing hot, why the heck would you not want the ball in his hands? The object is to win the game, not get a stamp of approval from the media and dahoss and ateam.


and what about the games that James has taken over in "crunchtime" and won throughout this years playoffs? You guys are cherry-picking your arguement off three games in the Finals, and even one where LeBron created the game winning play. Are you really not supposed to dish it to Bosh when he has a wide open look? it's a basketball TEAM for a reason. you're trying to say that a mans ego is more important than winning a game. Plus, you can "close out games" defensively, not just on offense.

I dont care about the whole "he's the single best player in the world". It's impossible to know and completely subjective. He might be the most talented basketball player in the world. But guys like Wade, Durant, Paul, Dirk, (Kobe before this year) etc are all amazing players, any day you could say either one of them is the best player in the world. Shoot, when Dwight Howard is on his game, he's basically unstoppable.


and it was completely tongue in cheek. I follow football, golf, and baseball very closely.. basketball not as closely but I played the damn sport for over 10 years and have played in hundreds of basketball games. If you dont think I know the difference between a closer in baseball and what you guys are refering to, I cant help you.

Creating plays? He passed to a wide open guy. The player that made the Bosh shot happen was Haslem who screened 2 people. Did you watch the game? He didn't create anything at the end of the game.

You might not be interested in the best in the world stuff, but that was what Ateam and I were talking about. No one is denying he's really, really good. I'm just saying in crunch time I want Wade taking the shot, not Lebron. So, IMO Lebron isn't the best in the world.

Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything?

that had to do with you saying i was lying about the baseball closer comment being tongue in cheek. I easily know the difference.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

I wasn't aware wins and losses in baseball are decided by home run total. Obviously he's doing other things, but come on, the best player in the world has more to show for his Finals fourth quarters than a few assists and solid defense (and it's not like he's guarding Dirk).

[NTamm1215]

The Mavs sure are doing a lot of talking. About the Heat:

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6632267

About each other:

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6632035

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I wasn't aware wins and losses in baseball are decided by home run total. Obviously he's doing other things, but come on, the best player in the world has more to show for his Finals fourth quarters than a few assists and solid defense (and it's not like he's guarding Dirk).

basketball is not decided by the amount of points one person scores (just like baseball isnt decided by the # of home runs you hit). if that was the case, the Knicks would be the champs.

[Antitrust32]

from the article NTamm posted above:

Terry, the Dallas Mavericks' charismatic sixth man who likes to bust out his arms like airplane wings after he makes 3-pointers and prides himself on cold-blooded shooting in the clutch, has found little breathing room with Miami Heat forward LeBron James shutting him out of the late-game offense.

"They keep sticking him [James] on Jet in the fourth quarters and he's been doing a good job," Nowitzki said. "Jet hasn't really been a crunch-time, clutch player for us the way we need him to."


Nowitzki scored 34 points in the 88-86 Game 3 loss and he scored the Mavs' final 12 points of the game. Terry, the team's second-leading scorer, was 0-of-4 from the floor in the fourth quarter of the disappointing home loss that put the Mavs in a 2-1 hole with Game 4 on Tuesday night at the American Airlines Center