Another Brilliant Plan Out of WI

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here's a thought... if you dont have an photo ID card, and you want to vote, how about go and get a photo ID? I mean they have a year to prepare for this. If voting is important to you, all you have to do is bring a valid form of identification.

I had to show it here in Florida, and the world didnt end. At least not yet.

But don't you get it then they can't cheat the system. Riot believes there is no fraud, but without a photo ID it is impossible to prove what person actually cast that vote so it is impossible to prove fraud. The same person that will be disenfranchised by the so called photo ID receives some sort of government entitlement whether it be medicare, medicaid, food stamps, social security etc which require much more work and effort than simply obtaining an ID

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

But don't you get it then they can't cheat the system.

How are poor people that don't have cars, and can't take a day off work to stand at the DMV, supposed to get one? How is grandma in the nursing home supposed to get one?

Riot believes there is no fraud, but without a photo ID it is impossible to prove what person actually cast that vote so it is impossible to prove fraud.

No. Stop misstating what I've said. I've said there is fraud, and it's so low it's in the single digits. It is entirely possible to prove who voted where (signatures and crosschecking now) which is [b]why voter fraud is so low.

The same person that will be disenfranchised by the so called photo ID receives some sort of government entitlement whether it be medicare, medicaid, food stamps, social security etc which require much more work and effort than simply obtaining an ID

Wow - your assumptive statement reveals a lot about why the law is being changed by the Republicans. Thanks for admitting that

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

How are poor people that don't have cars, and can't take a day off work to stand at the DMV, supposed to get one? How is grandma in the nursing home supposed to get one?


No. Stop misstating what I've said. I've said there is fraud, and it's so low it's in the single digits. It is entirely possible to prove who voted where (signatures and crosschecking now) which is [b]why voter fraud is so low.

How do you know it is so low? Do you really know that the person who said they were Bill Smith was actually Bill Smith?

Wow - your assumptive statement reveals a lot about why the law is being changed by the Republicans. Thanks for admitting that

Is not an assumption it is fact. If they work then they need to cash a check. In order to cash a check they need a photo ID (even at the check cashing place). To open a bank account they need a photo ID. The poor people that you speak of usually are on food stamps or receive medicaid. If they are not then they already need an ID to cash their pay check. The elderly receive social security, medicare or medicaid. You need a photo ID to do just about everything. So what is wrong with the facts

1) If they work they have a photo ID- required by employer and required to cash a check
2) If they don't work they need to have some income coming in thus they are on a government entitlement program
3) If they are elderly they either are independently wealthy or they are on a government entitlement (ie social security, medicare, etc.)

What am I missing

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Is not an assumption it is fact.

Yeah, the fact is that all the current Republican voting rights removal bills trying to be passed - and the Wisconsin bill signed today - are deliberately discriminatory, and everyone knows it.

If they work then they need to cash a check. In order to cash a check they need a photo ID (even at the check cashing place). To open a bank account they need a photo ID. The poor people that you speak of usually are on food stamps or receive medicaid. If they are not then they already need an ID to cash their pay check. The elderly receive social security, medicare or medicaid. You need a photo ID to do just about everything. So what is wrong with the facts

1) If they work they have a photo ID- required by employer and required to cash a check
2) If they don't work they need to have some income coming in thus they are on a government entitlement program
3) If they are elderly they either are independently wealthy or they are on a government entitlement (ie social security, medicare, etc.)

What am I missing

That the Constitution doesn't require any of the above to vote. You are. Fail.

"If they don't work they are on a government entitlement program" - are you for real?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, the fact is that all the current Republican voting rights removal bills trying to be passed - and the Wisconsin bill signed today - are deliberately discriminatory, and everyone knows it.

typical liberal response. Redirect as much as you can an avoid the facts pointed out above

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

typical liberal response. Redirect as much as you can an avoid the facts pointed out above

Nonsense. I'm a moderate conservative, and this bill is discriminatory bull.

Calling me a "typical liberal" may make you feel better about yourself, but doesn't change the fact that you think that poor people not being able to vote is "not an issue".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. I'm a moderate conservative, and this bill is discriminatory bull.

Calling me a "typical liberal" may make you feel better about yourself, but doesn't change the fact that you think that poor people not being able to vote is "not an issue".

Can u explain to me how this bill disenfranchises voters since even factoring out all people ages 16and 17 there are more peoplein WI with a photo ID or drivers license then there are registered voters in WI?

There is nothing moderate or conservative in your political comments