Gene Simmons for President

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Since you're such a huge Kiss and Gene Simmons fan I'm sure you're aware he had a similar upbringing to Obama except instead of living off a government job he actually got up on stage before a judge and jury and practiced his craft. Although must admit Shannon and Obama are twins when it comes to spending money without thought and throwing a baseball.

One difference is Simmons works for and supports our military because he wants to not because he's their boss and gets a check. Simmons is not Presidential material IMO but light years ahead of what we have now. Only person worse now would be Jimmy Carter. But then again they're the same foreign policy wise. Both 'get it' which, I guess means being pro-Palestine and anti-Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGil7PR59sc

born overseas and changed their names? i thought you'd finally given up on the whole obama as a foreigner thing.

chaim witz is to rock what donald trump is to politics. he's let undeserved success convince him he's actually talented not lucky.

kiss sucks and the fact anyone still knows their name (much less describes themselves as a fan) is proof that you can't go broke underestimating mass taste.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

born overseas and changed their names? i thought you'd finally given up on the whole obama as a foreigner thing.
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Barry Soetoro

Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference. That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing. He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama clearly is.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Barry Soetoro

Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference. That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing. He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama cleary is.

where'd you get that idea? could you post the (complete) quote where he said that?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where'd you get that idea? could you post the (complete) quote where he said that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...tinian-borders

reading Obama quotes gives me motion sickness.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...tinian-borders

reading Obama quotes gives me motion sickness.

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

There you go the complete paragraph unedited and said by him. I highlighted the part that is sending me to the toilet to vomit.



So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. ]We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.



and hopefully when he says 'we' he's not including me or Americans like me. He should have said President Carter, Riot and I, instead of we.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144336

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

There you go the complete paragraph unedited and said by him. I highlighted the part that is sending me to the toilet to vomit.



So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. ]We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.



and hopefully when he says 'we' he's not including me or Americans like me. He should have said President Carter, Riot and I, instead of we.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144336

what part of the bolded red part makes you think he was asking for israel to accept pre-1967 borders?

btw: the palestinian leadership is still reeling over his use of "jewish state" to describe the future israel. that was code for the u.s. rejecting any claim for a "right of return" being part of the negotiations.

[Riot]

We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.

Hey, rocket scientist - the above doesn't say Obama thinks Israel should have the 1967 borders.

Here, I highlighted the words you apparently don't understand, or want to deliberately ignore, in favor of "vomiting" over something the President didn't say.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

where's the quote? i'm asking you to pull up the words that came out of obama's mouth stating he wanted israel in pre-1967 borders.

try google. that usually works for me.

and remember...no editing. you need to post complete paragraphs.

Impossible. Obama never said it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Barry Soetoro
Born overseas v. raised overseas I guess is the big difference.

When did Obama come to the US, Dell? Do you know how old he was? Do, tell us.

That and his dad wasn't a polygamist, his brother isn't an accused rapist, and has no illegal now legal aunt living in public housing.

And people Obama never even met briefly until he was an adult influenced Obama how? People he doesn't know, doesn't live with, doesn't live near, doesn't see regularly? You hold people in contempt for things they cannot or do not control, things people have nothing to do with? That's ridiculous.

He's also probably paid more in taxes to this country than Obama has made including all the money he's been paid by, in part, Simmons' taxes.

The above has nothing to do with ... anything.

Yea I agree with you now, they are far different. Also doubt Simmons is remotely close to wanting Israel to revert to its '67 borders as Obama clearly is.

Obama and every other President, Dell, have started negotiations from that point. Your intense decades-long study of Israel and the middle east surely has taught you our history. Obama also said that there should be land swaps. So at least you should be honest about "what Obama said".

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

1)When did Obama come to the US, Dell? Do you know how old he was? Do, tell us.



2) And people Obama never even met until he was an adult influenced Obama how?



3) The above has nothing to do with ... anything.



4)Obama and every other President, Dell. Obama also strongly said that there should be land swaps. So at least you should be honest about "what Obama said".

1) When his mom got dumped and with no man there to support her moved back to her parents home that happened to be in the US.

2) Blood

3) Paying for the country's tab v. taking from it. Opposites and my point.

4) Since I found the Obama quote specfically in regards to the '67 border can you find the same for say Reagan? Surely he is included in every President.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

1) When his mom got dumped and with no man there to support her moved back to her parents home that happened to be in the US.

In other words, you don't know what years Obama was "raised overseas".

You might want to look that up before you post your original contention (not very well supported), then try to justify it with the silly false statement you made, above.

2) Blood

Ah, "blood". So you are personally responsible and guilty for anything anybody related to you does, too? Let's be sure of what you are contenting. Even if you have nothing to do with them? That's how it works? So how far does that extent? To second cousins? Relatives you've never met, never seen, never talked to?

Hate to point out what that remarkably silly position you hold is called, technically.

3) Paying for the country's tab v. taking from it. Opposites and my point.

Obama plays plenty for "this country's tab", as a taxpayer. His tax returns are public, and Simmon's isn't.

As far as "taking from it", yeah, we compensate the President of the United States that we elect $400,000 a year. Being President isn't exactly a walk in the park - of course, compared to being an aging rock star (much more difficult, surely!) Are you against that? Paying someone who works for us?

4) Since I found the Obama quote specfically in regards to the '67 border can you find the same for say Reagan? Surely he is included in every President

Nobody is talking about Reagan. We are talking about your mischaracterization and misstatement of Obama's publicly stated position on Israel and Palistine. Hey, what do you think about Obama strongly fighting any UN recognition of Palistine as a state? Yeah, that proves Obama is pretty against Israel and supportive of Palistine, huh?

Do you see where your statement about the President is untrue and false yet? Will you ever? Somehow I doubt it. We'll be hearing this falsehood about Obama from you for the next 6 years ....

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

1) When his mom got dumped and with no man there to support her moved back to her parents home that happened to be in the US.

2) Blood

3) Paying for the country's tab v. taking from it. Opposites and my point.

4) Since I found the Obama quote specfically in regards to the '67 border can you find the same for say Reagan? Surely he is included in every President.

you are so dumb dell! this must be an act

Uncly weren't you praising Newt a few weeks ago?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Uncly weren't you praising Newt a few weeks ago?

yep, I am a Gingrich fan.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama and every other President, Dell, have started negotiations from that point. Your intense decades-long study of Israel and the middle east surely has taught you our history. Obama also said that there should be land swaps. So at least you should be honest about "what Obama said".

Here is what Obama said verbatim.....

“So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

Show me one President ever say anything about basing new borders on the 1967 lines? You know besides Carter. And thank you for assuming I was dishonest about what Obama said and was able to requote him exactly as it came out of his mouth.

"We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines" Wonder if Iran believes the U.S. should open negotiations with the Pottawattomi Tribe in Wisconsin regarding expansion of the reservations based on the 1846 treaty? Just about as relevent.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Show me one President ever say anything about basing new borders on the 1967 lines? You know besides Carter. And thank you for assuming I was dishonest about what Obama said and was able to requote him exactly as it came out of his mouth.

I see at least you've changed your contention to match what the President actually said. Good for you!

That has always been our foreign policy, Dell. What Obama said was nothing new, he simply stated it, and everyone who pays attention to the middle east knows it. In fact, alot of opinion pages talked about how he never said anything new in this speech. Why are you ignoring all that? It's strange. Do you not read any major newspapers, or watch the nightly news shows?

That's the truth, and every one but the crazy right-wing flying monkey show knows it.

Admit it, Dell - your contention that this President is "anti-Israel and pro-Palestine" is beyond absurd and simply wrong.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I see at least you've changed your contention to match what the President actually said. Good for you!

That has always been our foreign policy, Dell. What Obama said was nothing new, he simply stated it, and everyone who pays attention to the middle east knows it. In fact, alot of opinion pages talked about how he never said anything new in this speech. Why are you ignoring all that? It's strange. Do you not read any major newspapers, or watch the nightly news shows?

That's the truth, and every one but the crazy right-wing flying monkey show knows it.

not true, i was watching fox either yesterday or the day before and they pointed it out

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not true, i was watching fox either yesterday or the day before and they pointed it out

I never knew Hannity actually still regularly refers to the President of the United States as "the annointed one" on his show. It's sad, all that hate.

One thing about the 1990's, Clinton and your bud Gingrich did work together. It was a sad day for this country, when Mitch McConnell came out and said that their legislative goal was to make sure this President is not re-elected.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

kiss sucks and the fact anyone still knows their name (much less describes themselves as a fan) is proof that you can't go broke underestimating mass taste.

Hey! I wanna rock and roll all night, and party every day!