"Wise Guy" Derby history

pba1817 · #1 04-27-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I will post my Derby breakdown with explanation when the posts are out.

Why wait? You were quick to say you hate him, insights please?

slotdirt · #2 04-27-2011, 10:23 PM

27 posts in and not one mention of freaking Dunkirk.

booner · #3 04-28-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

27 posts in and not one mention of freaking Dunkirk.

Wasn't he running in 5k claimers @ Suffolk Downs last year?

robfla · #4 04-28-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by booner

Wasn't he running in 5k claimers @ Suffolk Downs last year?

I believe he is standing stud at Ashford Stud in Kentucky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_%28horse%29

slotdirt · #5 04-28-2011, 10:08 AM

I don't think Dunkirk ever ran again after the Belmont, no?

smartbid09 · #6 04-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't think Dunkirk ever ran again after the Belmont, no?

Yes, that was his last race. He was retired shortly after the belmont.

dino · #7 04-28-2011, 01:44 PM

Wise Guy horses win about as much as tip horses. When I was a kid a friend of our family was the doctor at Suffolk Downs and he eventually had to quit because he was betting too many of the can't lose horses that the jocks and trainers were giving him.

booner · #8 04-28-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla

I believe he is standing stud at Ashford Stud in Kentucky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_%28horse%29

Thanks. I also got un-lazy and looked it up after I posted. The sad thing about my memory....I bet the crap out of him in the Belmont.....

For some reason I got him confused with Danger to Society, who didn't even run in the Derby. His name just stuck in my head. I wasn't the only one who noticed the downward spiral, though......

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...danger+society

Dahoss · #9 04-28-2011, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

Why wait? You were quick to say you hate him, insights please?

He's had two great set ups in a row and has failed to get it done.

That said, he does appear to me at least to be one of the horses capable of winning and I'll be using him on most of my tickets.

smartbid09 · #10 04-28-2011, 01:35 AM

This would make a great article for Jon White at XpressBet. He is a historian and I am sure he can recall all the wise guy horses off the top of his head in the last 30 years of the Kentucky Derby. Great thread - I really hope there is a list out there somewhere with the answer to this.

cal828 · #11 04-28-2011, 02:01 AM

Can't remember, did Wilko run in the Derby?

Merlinsky · #12 04-28-2011, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cal828

Can't remember, did Wilko run in the Derby?

Yup. When I googled to make sure my brain wasn't playing tricks on me and that he hadn't declared due to injury or something, I found this interesting passage: http://bit.ly/j3QVGM It sounds like he helped Giacomo out a bit by accident. Read on past the mention of Wilko to the fun chaos caused by John Shirreffs never having won the race before. I bet someone at NBC was pulling their hair out trying to find the Derby winning trainer for the trophy presentation. Well, where else is he gonna be but where he always goes after a race? The barn, naturally.

pba1817 · #13 04-29-2011, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

He's had two great set ups in a row and has failed to get it done.

That said, he does appear to me at least to be one of the horses capable of winning and I'll be using him on most of my tickets.

You might want to watch both La Derby and Ark Derby replays..

Hickory Hill Hoff · #14 04-29-2011, 06:55 AM

Talkin' Man

dalakhani · #15 04-29-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

You might want to watch both La Derby and Ark Derby replays..

It looks like he had two pretty good set ups to me. Are you saying that he didn't?

pba1817 · #16 05-02-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

It looks like he had two pretty good set ups to me. Are you saying that he didn't?

He had troubled trips in both races...

cakes44 · #17 05-02-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

He had troubled trips in both races...

Asmussen should dream to have either of those "troubled trips" in the Derby IMO.

pba1817 · #18 05-07-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Asmussen should dream to have either of those "troubled trips" in the Derby IMO.

He had probably the cleanest trip in the Derby field, was simply beat by a better horse..

NTamm1215 · #19 05-02-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817

He had troubled trips in both races...

I'm sure you're referring to the VERY brief steady as the field straightened away in the Louisiana Derby. That hardly constitutes a troubled trip. From that point he had 3/16ths of a mile to catch the leader and made a nice late move but never encountered the type of trouble that precluded him from winning the race.

His trip in the Arkansas Derby was beyond perfect. He had nary a straw in his path in the final three furlongs and was lucky enough to have Archarcharch make the first move into a collapsing pace. Still, he found a way to come up short.

I'm not against Nehro in the Derby because there are reasons to like him. He clearly looks to be the type of horse who can stay the distance, he's steadily improving and he should get a good pace to run at. There's nothing about his trips in his last two races that bolster his win credentials IMO. He had a very nice setup in the Ark Derby.

Clip-Clop · #20 05-02-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm sure you're referring to the VERY brief steady as the field straightened away in the Louisiana Derby. That hardly constitutes a troubled trip. From that point he had 3/16ths of a mile to catch the leader and made a nice late move but never encountered the type of trouble that precluded him from winning the race.

His trip in the Arkansas Derby was beyond perfect. He had nary a straw in his path in the final three furlongs and was lucky enough to have Archarcharch make the first move into a collapsing pace. Still, he found a way to come up short.

I'm not against Nehro in the Derby because there are reasons to like him. He clearly looks to be the type of horse who can stay the distance, he's steadily improving and he should get a good pace to run at. There's nothing about his trips in his last two races that bolster his win credentials IMO. He had a very nice setup in the Ark Derby.

Based on that are you comfortable (or should I be) backing Archarcharch? I think he is coming in right and looks like the kind (style/attitude) of horse who wins this race.