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Old 04-27-2011, 11:12 PM
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Why wait? You were quick to say you hate him, insights please?
He's had two great set ups in a row and has failed to get it done.

That said, he does appear to me at least to be one of the horses capable of winning and I'll be using him on most of my tickets.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:35 AM
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This would make a great article for Jon White at XpressBet. He is a historian and I am sure he can recall all the wise guy horses off the top of his head in the last 30 years of the Kentucky Derby. Great thread - I really hope there is a list out there somewhere with the answer to this.
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:01 AM
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Can't remember, did Wilko run in the Derby?
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Old 04-28-2011, 02:02 AM
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Can't remember, did Wilko run in the Derby?
Yup. When I googled to make sure my brain wasn't playing tricks on me and that he hadn't declared due to injury or something, I found this interesting passage: http://bit.ly/j3QVGM It sounds like he helped Giacomo out a bit by accident. Read on past the mention of Wilko to the fun chaos caused by John Shirreffs never having won the race before. I bet someone at NBC was pulling their hair out trying to find the Derby winning trainer for the trophy presentation. Well, where else is he gonna be but where he always goes after a race? The barn, naturally.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:29 AM
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He's had two great set ups in a row and has failed to get it done.

That said, he does appear to me at least to be one of the horses capable of winning and I'll be using him on most of my tickets.
You might want to watch both La Derby and Ark Derby replays..
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:55 AM
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:41 AM
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You might want to watch both La Derby and Ark Derby replays..
It looks like he had two pretty good set ups to me. Are you saying that he didn't?
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Old 05-02-2011, 04:18 AM
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It looks like he had two pretty good set ups to me. Are you saying that he didn't?
He had troubled trips in both races...
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:00 AM
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He had troubled trips in both races...
Asmussen should dream to have either of those "troubled trips" in the Derby IMO.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:29 PM
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Asmussen should dream to have either of those "troubled trips" in the Derby IMO.
He had probably the cleanest trip in the Derby field, was simply beat by a better horse..
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:22 AM
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He had troubled trips in both races...
I'm sure you're referring to the VERY brief steady as the field straightened away in the Louisiana Derby. That hardly constitutes a troubled trip. From that point he had 3/16ths of a mile to catch the leader and made a nice late move but never encountered the type of trouble that precluded him from winning the race.

His trip in the Arkansas Derby was beyond perfect. He had nary a straw in his path in the final three furlongs and was lucky enough to have Archarcharch make the first move into a collapsing pace. Still, he found a way to come up short.

I'm not against Nehro in the Derby because there are reasons to like him. He clearly looks to be the type of horse who can stay the distance, he's steadily improving and he should get a good pace to run at. There's nothing about his trips in his last two races that bolster his win credentials IMO. He had a very nice setup in the Ark Derby.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:25 AM
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I'm sure you're referring to the VERY brief steady as the field straightened away in the Louisiana Derby. That hardly constitutes a troubled trip. From that point he had 3/16ths of a mile to catch the leader and made a nice late move but never encountered the type of trouble that precluded him from winning the race.

His trip in the Arkansas Derby was beyond perfect. He had nary a straw in his path in the final three furlongs and was lucky enough to have Archarcharch make the first move into a collapsing pace. Still, he found a way to come up short.

I'm not against Nehro in the Derby because there are reasons to like him. He clearly looks to be the type of horse who can stay the distance, he's steadily improving and he should get a good pace to run at. There's nothing about his trips in his last two races that bolster his win credentials IMO. He had a very nice setup in the Ark Derby.
Based on that are you comfortable (or should I be) backing Archarcharch? I think he is coming in right and looks like the kind (style/attitude) of horse who wins this race.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:50 AM
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Based on that are you comfortable (or should I be) backing Archarcharch? I think he is coming in right and looks like the kind (style/attitude) of horse who wins this race.
I think anyone who is throwing out Archarcharch is playing with fire.
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Old 05-02-2011, 11:24 AM
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He had troubled trips in both races...
Boy, do I wish you bet more than 2 times a year....
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:14 PM
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Boy, do I wish you bet more than 2 times a year....
I bet everyday D-Bag... I told you Nehro would run big, get off my effing back.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:15 PM
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I bet everyday D-Bag... I told you Nehro would run big, get off my effing back.
he ran ok. got a head on my horse. hope you bet to place
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Old 04-29-2011, 12:29 PM
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You might want to watch both La Derby and Ark Derby replays..
You might want to learn how to watch a race....
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