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ninetoone 04-27-2011 12:38 PM

"Wise Guy" Derby history
 
I was wondering if there was a list of "wise guy" Derby horses of the past & their finish in the Derby. God knows I bet on some of them over the years. Has the wise guy horse ever won the race???

tanner12oz 04-27-2011 05:45 PM

Bandini was a wise guy horse and came in 19th or 20th

ninetoone 04-27-2011 06:17 PM

Yep, I threw away some cash on that one. I've always been a Dominguez guy, so it's an annual ritual for me to throw away money on his Derby mount, in addition to my regular pick. Looks like this year I'll donate some money to the pools on Stay Thirsty. Hopefully I can get the winner with the big bet...

10 pnt move up 04-27-2011 06:31 PM

I had thought Real Quit was the wise guy horse over his stablemate Indian Charlie?

rpncaine 04-27-2011 06:33 PM

I seem to remember that Sweetnorthernsaint was one.

miraja2 04-27-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 771923)
I seem to remember that Sweetnorthernsaint was one.

I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

dellinger63 04-27-2011 06:46 PM

The Chicago wiseguy horse has won every derby since Al Capone came over from NY, except Funnycide.

GPK 04-27-2011 06:55 PM

Teuflesbu...no, never mind.:D

GPK 04-27-2011 06:57 PM

Wasn't there some wise guy talk about Deputy Glitters in 06?

GPK 04-27-2011 07:03 PM

Interesting trivia...from 2000-2010, Todd Pletcher has trained the last place finisher in the Kentucky Derby 5 times and finished 2nd to last another 2 times.:tro::tro:

randallscott35 04-27-2011 07:19 PM

Paddy o Prado was last year and he finished 3rd.

NTamm1215 04-27-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 771929)
Interesting trivia...from 2000-2010, Todd Pletcher has trained the last place finisher in the Kentucky Derby 5 times and finished 2nd to last another 2 times.:tro::tro:

Off the top of my head I know he finished last with Monba, Graeme Hall (who displaced I think), Cowtown Rat, I think Keyed Entry, and I can't remember the other.

hi_im_god 04-27-2011 07:35 PM

ten most wanted. ninth in 2003.

Sightseek 04-27-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 771924)
I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

I think Point Determined was that year.

It was also the first year they did the post position draw on 4th Street Live and Bob Lewis had passed away. When Bev Lewis stood up to make her selection a lot of people cheered. I can't imagine there were that many sentimentalists making him 9-1 though.

randallscott35 04-27-2011 07:43 PM

Borrego. I took the bait.

ninetoone 04-27-2011 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 771924)
I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

Seems like most years there is one horse that stands out among the rest as a wiseguy horse. I know people were saying Nehro for awhile there, I guess we will see as the day gets closer who it ends up being. I can see MOH being a strong candidate, now that Gomez is aboard.

miraja2 04-27-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 771937)
Borrego.

He was my second choice that year....after Friends Lake.

I followed it up the next year with High Fly.

pweizer 04-27-2011 07:48 PM

According to the odds from Wynn Las Vegas today, Nehro is the second choice behind only Dialed In. He is definately the wiseguy horse this year.

Paul

randallscott35 04-27-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 771941)
According to the odds from Wynn Las Vegas today, Nehro is the second choice behind only Dialed In. He is definately the wiseguy horse this year.

Paul

I hate him in this race, I'm glad he is loved.

ninetoone 04-27-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 771940)
He was my second choice that year....after Friends Lake.

I followed it up the next year with High Fly.

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High Fly....I bet the hell out of him to win. He made a strong move & fizzled out. I remember getting that adrenaline rush for a brief second...I guess that's why you keep comin' back!!!


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