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[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The thought of a bunch of Nelson Mandela types trying to kick a$s is too funny. Especially when it's over Obamacare. You gonna fight green? Is Obama going to try and throw something w/o looking like a sissy this time?

Dell ... you might re-read what Scuds wrote before you agree with it. He was addressing YOU, and those like YOU who are against healthcare for all being affordable in this country.

And you agreed with it?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dell ... you might re-read what Scuds wrote before you agree with it. He was addressing YOU, and those like YOU who are against healthcare for all being affordable in this country.

And you agreed with it?

I am not against healthcare being affordable for all. I realize healthcare is very expensive especially specialty care and unless you take from some to give others it can never be affordable to all. Medicare/Cade is a run away train as is Social Security. We don't need and can't afford another one at this time. Why not a mansion tax to provide shelter to the homeless?

And if you re-read his post he is sick of that view and ready to kick some ass hence my post being he is a Mandela on your quiz.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And if you re-read his post he is sick of that view and ready to kick some ass hence my post being he is a Mandela on your quiz.

Well, considering this administration finally, after 60 years, got the first nationwide healthcare reform passed, albeit basic, in spite of stiff opposition from those that spent years proposing the very same thing, and outright lies about content, I think "ass has already been kicked" on this one

As far as Medicare being a runaway train, I'd think you'd then be quite happy about the billions of waste that is eliminated within Medicare over 10 years due to the PPACA.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

As far as Medicare being a runaway train, I'd think you'd then be quite happy about the billions of waste that is eliminated within Medicare over 10 years due to the PPACA.

and I think you'll be amazed at how much waste (in the form of needless visits, tests, therapy) will be created with the PPACA should it be somehow found constitutional.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and I think you'll be amazed at how much waste (in the form of needless visits, tests, therapy) will be created with the PPACA should it be somehow found constitutional.

Why in the world would you think needless visits would be generated? How? Why?

It's pretty well proven axiom that eliminating people from going to the ER for such things as colds, intermittant diabetic/heart care, etc - and instead going regularly to their family physician or regular doctor, because they now have health insurance - absolutely decreases "needless" visits, and vastly improves health care, while decreasing the cost for everyone.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why in the world would you think needless visits would be generated? How? Why?.

You realize not all Dr's/Clinics are 100% honest. 'Patients' armed with an insurance card can go in with a back problem, the clinic dr. can do a barrage of tests including MRI's daily therapy etc and the patient leaves with prescription, the clinic/dr make a fortune and we all get f'd. Similar to seniors on medicare selling their prescriptions for everything from viagra to vicodine. All it takes is one bad dr. for every 100 good ones.

I've been to the ER many times and not once have I seen someone come in for a cold or bad back for that matter. There already are county hospitals and clinics in place and in this country at least you get what you pay for.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You realize not all Dr's/Clinics are 100% honest. 'Patients' armed with an insurance card can go in with a back problem, the clinic dr. can do a barrage of tests including MRI's daily therapy etc and the patient leaves with prescription, the clinic/dr make a fortune and we all get f'd.

That's exactly how it is now. So why in the world would you think it would increase? How will the PPACA increase the amount of fraud? People still have to pay a copay if they want to see a doctor.

Are you accusing currently uninsured people of being frauds in waiting?

You are saying that increasing the number of people with health insurance will increase the incidence of fraud? That's absurd.

I've been to the ER many times and not once have I seen someone come in for a cold or bad back for that matter.

Seriously? You are actually going to use that as an argument? Okay - How many times have you been to an ER, and how many times have you been informed personally by the charge nurse of the ailments of the current patient census?

I really don't care, because I spent 10 years as a paramedic in the NW suburban hosp. system, and in the NW portion of Chicago, and I have personally brought more non-emergent patients to the ER than you've ever had even imaginary ER trips - I'll guarantee that up front.

So sorry Dell - yes, people without insurance come in constantly to ER's for non-emergent problems when that is one's only option, because you don't have health insurance. Not exactly a big secret within the medical world. Don't take my word for it. In fact, it's commonly known, and clearly identified as one of the largest contributors to everyone's health care costs - yours, too - and decreased quality of health care for the constantly sick.

There already are county hospitals and clinics in place and in this country at least you get what you pay for.

Uh, yeah, that's exactly the problem - this is the United States of America, and our citizens are ill and dying because they can't afford health care. We do not have the best health care in the world. We have an outrageous infant mortality rate. These folks are getting exactly what they pay for. That's why the majority in this country wants that fixed.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I am not against healthcare being affordable for all. I realize healthcare is very expensive especially specialty care and unless you take from some to give others it can never be affordable to all. Medicare/Cade is a run away train as is Social Security. We don't need and can't afford another one at this time. Why not a mansion tax to provide shelter to the homeless?

And if you re-read his post he is sick of that view and ready to kick some ass hence my post being he is a Mandela on your quiz.

We are already paying much more for our healthcare than other countries do (and we're getting less care than they get.) Really, what your doing (by linking medical care to financial status) is showing disrespect for some human life, and you can't be surprised that many of our citizens turn out to violently show a lack of concern for human life.