Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I consider both legal parlimentary procedures that were chosen and used.

I didn't like when the GOP did it in the Senate, and you don't like it when the state senate Democrats are doing it here.



They most certainly didn't "flee their job", or "not represent their constituents", they are talking to constituents and staff daily, they are quite available to the other Senate members and the Governor (who still refuses to take their calls)

BTW, who is not "doing their job", when the public overwhelmingly is telling Walker they don't want union-busting, the Dems are trying to negotiate, a couple of the Senate Republicans are trying to negotiate, and Walker is standing still refusing to meet, refusing to take phone calls, saying he refuses to change his stance, and he is even caught on that phone call, saying he lied to the Democrats, saying he'd trick them into thinking he'd negotiate to get them back but then wouldn't?



Okay, you have to keep it personal. You can't talk about the politics objectively. So, yes, poor little unknowledgable victim you, poor little unknowledgable victim you. Is that what you want to hear? What does that have to do with anything? You don't consider what the Dems are doing democracy, stand by your opinion. Don't try to pawn it off on me being mean to poor little victim you.

you see them as doing their job, while I see the democrats acting in childish/terrorist behavior. Totally difference of opinion, which I think would set a dangerous precedent if they suceed. I do not see how this is democracy. If the tables were turned the republicans would be burned at the stake in media, whereas the democrats are seen as standing up for the people. Elections are won by majority opinion and the legislature should represent the majority. You will quote bias media polls, but the truth is WI voters voted for Walker and the republicans to take over. You have to let them do their job. I am just pointing out where your so called facts usually come from. You use the liberal media, papers, etc to showcase your facts, when I gave you a summary part of the bill on the public utilities you dismissed it. see http://legis.wisconsin.gov/JR1SB-11.pdf look at the summary and your past posts. Read the bill and stop reading Wikipedia, huffington, MSNBC, etc.

[wiphan]

March 7, 2011

Sen. Mark Miller

Parts Unknown, IL

Dear Senator Miller,

Thank you for your hand-delivered letter with an offer to meet, in Illinois, about the business and future direction of Wisconsin.

Let’s set aside how bizarre that is for a moment.

As you know, this legislation is designed to finally balance the state budget, prevent layoffs and create jobs in the real world. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed or underemployed Wisconsinites, and at least 1,500 more whose jobs are in the balance because of your media stunt. We all deserve better than this.

In the meantime, members of your caucus have been meeting with the governor’s staff, talking to the media, trying to find a way back to Madison, and contradicting your message in public. In case you don’t remember, you were present yourself at one of those meetings with the governor’s staff. Your grasp of reality, and control of your caucus as minority leader, continues to amaze me.

As you know, your opportunity to compromise and amend the bill was on the floor of the state Senate. As you know, you forfeited that right and opportunity when you decided to flee the state instead of doing your job.

Your stubbornness in trying to ignore the last election and protect the broken status quo is truly shameful. While we wait for you and your colleagues to finally show up, Senate Republicans continue to stand ready to do the job we were elected to do, here in Wisconsin. I hope you are enjoying your vacation, and your vacation from reality.

Sincerely,

Scott Fitzgerald

Senate Majority Leader

CC: Governor Scott Walker

[Riot]

Yeah, Fitzgerald sounds like a real ass - especially when, after he went on TV and "named names" yesterday, he was publicly accused of outright lying by the folks whose names he dropped.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, Fitzgerald sounds like a real ass - especially when, after he went on TV and "named names" yesterday, he was publicly accused of outright lying by the folks whose names he dropped.

Thanks for you unbias objective opinion

[geeker2]

Good news $100/day penalty starts today !!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Thanks for you unbias objective opinion

That is indeed my unbiased objective opinion after watching him on television and listening to what he had to say on one of the pundit shows. The guy acted like a screeching immature baby.

Then I read the letter. Fits him. Unprofessional.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you see them as doing their job, while I see the democrats acting in childish/terrorist behavior. Totally difference of opinion, which I think would set a dangerous precedent if they suceed. I do not see how this is democracy. If the tables were turned the republicans would be burned at the stake in media, whereas the democrats are seen as standing up for the people. Elections are won by majority opinion and the legislature should represent the majority. You will quote bias media polls, but the truth is WI voters voted for Walker and the republicans to take over. You have to let them do their job. I am just pointing out where your so called facts usually come from. You use the liberal media, papers, etc to showcase your facts, when I gave you a summary part of the bill on the public utilities you dismissed it. see http://legis.wisconsin.gov/JR1SB-11.pdf look at the summary and your past posts. Read the bill and stop reading Wikipedia, huffington, MSNBC, etc.

You really have some bizzaro prejudices, assumptions and ideas that are not true. You'd probably do better dropping everything you "think" you know about where I get information about Wisconsin, and sticking to reality.

"Biased media polls"? You mean every poll taken in Wisconsin this past week, including the most right-wing biased conservative ones? You just don't like what those polls are now showing.

Elections elect a governor, but they also elect state legislatures, where the different reps represent the concerns of the locals from their areas. There is no "taking over" in the legislature. Judging by the actions of your fellow citizens, it's clear that Walker wasn't elected dictator as he mistakenly believes, he's not going to get away with major changes that he didn't campaign upon and tried to sneak through, and there is a great deal of buyer's remorse. Such is democracy.

[Riot]

As Wiphan is so proud of the Republican response, might as well post the original letter.

Dear Governor Walker and Senator Fitzgerald:

Over the past several weeks we have witnessed an unprecedented public debate in Wisconsin over the value of public workers and the importance of collective bargaining rights. I write today to offer to meet, in-person, as soon as possible to resume discussions on how we reach a bipartisan solution to our differences on January 2011 Special Session Senate and Assembly Bill 11.

The working people of Wisconsin are deeply concerned about what the future holds for their families, and for the great state they call home. Now more than ever they are counting on us as leaders to work together to resolve our differences to move our state forward.

Since the bill's introduction, public workers have come forward to offer economic concessions and Democrats have offered a number of proposals to try to reach a bipartisan resolution.

I assure you that Democratic State Senators, despite our differences and the vigorous debate we have had, remain ready and willing to find a reasonable compromise. To that end, I would ask that you or your authorized representatives agree to meet with us near the Wisconsin-Illinois border to formally resume serious discussions
as soon as possible.

The people of Wisconsin are overwhelmingly supportive of us reaching a bipartisan, negotiated compromise. Senate Democrats stand ready to do just that, we ask that you do the same.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You really have some bizzaro prejudices, assumptions and ideas that are not true. You'd probably do better dropping everything you "think" you know about where I get information about Wisconsin, and sticking to reality.

"Biased media polls"? You mean every poll taken in Wisconsin this past week, including the most right-wing biased conservative ones? You just don't like what those polls are now showing.

Elections elect a governor, but they also elect state legislatures, where the different reps represent the concerns of the locals from their areas. There is no "taking over" in the legislature. Judging by the actions of your fellow citizens, it's clear that Walker wasn't elected dictator as he mistakenly believes, he's not going to get away with major changes that he didn't campaign upon and tried to sneak through, and there is a great deal of buyer's remorse. Such is democracy.

In case you forgot I actually live in WI and interact with the public citizens of WI on a daily basis and there is plenty of support for walker and outrage against the dems that the media refuses to cover. More importantly Go UWM panthers!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

In case you forgot I actually live in WI and interact with the public citizens of WI on a daily basis and there is plenty of support for walker and outrage against the dems that the media refuses to cover. More importantly Go UWM panthers!

Sorry that's not showing for you in the conservative polls, or on the YouTube videos of local town halls (not media productions), nor in the number of "pro Walker" supporters that are not showing up in anywhere near the numbers of the anti's.

The Koch's got 400 or so at one of the bus stops this weekend. That's good!

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41977974/ns/us_news/


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— Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has offered to keep certain collective bargaining rights in place for state workers in a proposed compromise aimed at ending a nearly three-week standoff with absent Senate Democrats, according to e-mails released Tuesday by his office.

The e-mails, some dated as recently as Sunday, show a softened stance in Walker's talks with the 14 Democrats who fled to Illinois to block a vote on his original proposal that would strip nearly all collective bargaining rights for public workers and force concessions amounting to an average 8 percent pay cut.

[Scav]

Sneaky bastards

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Scav

Sneaky bastards

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

Finally! Now I can get back to the Charlie Show.