social security

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Good lord, you don't have a clue what Socialism is. Or Communism. You're just spitting out words you've heard.

Let's make this simple: Whatever you want to call the "system" where the top 5% paying over 54% of the bill is NOT ENOUGH, I am opposed to it.

[joeydb]

By the way, everywhere but in political discourse, "fair" is pretty interchangeable with "proportional".

Larry, Moe, and Curly go out to lunch. Larry has one hamburger, Moe has two, and Curly, he's hungry, he has three. The "fair" breakdown of the bill is Larry paying 1/6 of the bill, Moe paying 1/3 of the bill (twice as much as Larry), and Curly paying 1/2 the bill (3 times as much as Larry and 1.5 times as much as Moe).

If we told Curly that he should pay more, since he ate more of the "resources" and he should supplement Larry and Moe, then we'd have what the left considers "more fair" but certainly not proportional.

It's "more fair" because until rich man Curly pays for the whole lunch, plus the lunches of the rest of the restaurant patrons, and a premium on top of that to the government, and a massive tip to the staff, it won't be "completely fair". See how little math it takes to come up with the liberal Democrat definition of fair?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

By the way, everywhere but in political discourse, "fair" is pretty interchangeable with "proportional".

Larry, Moe, and Curly go out to lunch. Larry has one hamburger, Moe has two, and Curly, he's hungry, he has three. The "fair" breakdown of the bill is Larry paying 1/6 of the bill, Moe paying 1/3 of the bill (twice as much as Larry), and Curly paying 1/2 the bill (3 times as much as Larry and 1.5 times as much as Moe).

If we told Curly that he should pay more, since he ate more of the "resources" and he should supplement Larry and Moe, then we'd have what the left considers "more fair" but certainly not proportional.

Huh? Only in the Republican imagination. Reality - not so much

Republican reality is: Curly is wealthier, so he pays 1/6, and he makes Moe pay 1/2, and Larry pay 1/2, and then Curly gets another 1/6 rebate.

It's "more fair" because until rich man Curly pays for the whole lunch, plus the lunches of the rest of the restaurant patrons, and a premium on top of that to the government, and a massive tip to the staff, it won't be "completely fair". See how little math it takes to come up with the liberal Democrat definition of fair?

The Koch brothers, a Tea Party member and a teacher were sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies. The Koch brothers took 11 cookies for themselves, then told the Tea Party member, "That teacher wants some of your cookie".

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Let's make this simple: Whatever you want to call the "system" where the top 5% paying over 54% of the bill is NOT ENOUGH, I am opposed to it.

Do you realize that about 400 people own half the wealth in this country?

Do you realize that our top ten corporations pay no corporate income tax?

Do you realize that while you are paying 28% of your income in federal taxes, those earning thousands more than you are paying a far lesser percentage?

And some want them to pay even less. You are the one that has to make up that deficit. As seen, for example, in Wisconsin: Walker gives immediate tax credits for corporations, immediate approx 8% decrease in income for librarians, prison guards, teachers, etc.

Want to solve financial problems and the deficits in this country? Stop the tax loopholes and credits and gifts to those persons and corporations that make six figures and more. Don't make them pay more - just stop the special gifts that enable them to pay less than everyone else. If that were done, everyone could then pay less. And we would all enjoy fully-funded social security, medicare, etc.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you realize that about 400 people own half the wealth in this country?

Do you realize that our top ten corporations pay no corporate income tax?

Do you realize that while you are paying 28% of your income in federal taxes, those earning thousands more than you are paying a far lesser percentage?

And some want them to pay even less. You are the one that has to make up that deficit. As seen, for example, in Wisconsin: Walker gives immediate tax credits for corporations, immediate approx 8% decrease in income for librarians, prison guards, teachers, etc.

Want to solve financial problems and the deficits in this country? Stop the tax loopholes and credits and gifts to those persons and corporations that make six figures and more. Don't make them pay more - just stop the special gifts that enable them to pay less than everyone else. If that were done, everyone could then pay less. And we would all enjoy fully-funded social security, medicare, etc.

Make one tax rate -- flat tax. That is proportional, and the mathematically closest to "fair" that you will come up with.