Breeders Cup Juvenile Subsequent Form

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Wasn't there only like 6 horses in the race to begin with?

10 horse field. The race was over 4 months ago - and only 40% of the field has run back.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think you're being a little too absolute with the "improvement" claim. JP's Gusto and Riveting Reason have raced enough pre-and-post BC to be known quantities. While their Beyer figures may have crept up slightly, I wouldn't hold my breath for further advancement.

Generally speaking, Pletcher 3yos come back with their best stuff right of the bench, if Stay Thirsty's lugging in 89 is the best he can uncorked, that bottle might already be empty (all those puns intended).

I don't even want to discuss Rogue Romance until he actually threatens to reach contention in a race on the main track.

regarding the improvement claim - I only said they "made the kind of improvment you expect from a healthy young colt"

I don't know if I agree that Pletcher's 3yo's "come back with their best stuff right of the bench" .... there was a pretty strong pattern last year of them improving sharply 2nd off the layoff - running about as strong 3rd off the layoff ... and a lot of them fell hard to injury... and the ones that don't rarely get any better and are more likely to go backwards.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I should hope the top 2YOs of a given year improve in subsequent starts.

The healthy ones should anyway.

A LOT of them don't. Especially with fillies.

You had a three year run where the champion 2yo fillies were Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, and Halfbridled. All of them were pretty awesome 2yo fillies whos form took a sharp nose dive.

[blackthroatedwind]

No sane person doubts that if Uncle Mo moves forward, all the other 3YOs are in major trouble. It's a complete mismatch. However, others moving forward doesn't increase the chances of Uncle Mo doing so....or staying sound.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No sane person doubts that if Uncle Mo moves forward, all the other 3YOs are in major trouble. It's a complete mismatch. However, others moving forward doesn't increase the chances of Uncle Mo doing so....or staying sound.

I never said it did.

The whole point - and I know it was kind of a MOTO one - was "It gives you an idea of what should be expected of Uncle Mo and Jaycito on Saturday." ... if they are healthy.

I say that because there have been some questions and rumors surrounding the health of both horses.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The finalists for the '2010 Todd Pletcher Profile in Equine Courage' award would have to be Quality Road, Life At Ten, and Malibu Prayer.

While the life was sucked out of them - at least they were the trio that stood up to his stuff all year and stayed sound enough to make the Breeders Cup.

QR and Malibu Prayer both ran about 60 Beyers in the BC - and Life At Ten ran the best of the trio because at least she had a visable excuse.

Pletcher had no other runners in the Distaff, Classic, Sprint, BC Turf, or BC Mile. Just those three. Quality Road last by a mile. Life At Ten and Malibu Prayer a long way behind everyone else in the Distaff.

They were certainly the stables warriors.

Devil May Care, Eskendreya, Super Saver, Discreetly Mine, Battle Plan, Understatement, etc etc etc all fell from the riggors.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The finalists for the '2010 Todd Pletcher Profile in Equine/Handicapper Courage' award would have to be Quality Road, Life At Ten, and Malibu Prayer.

Cant forget all the $ burned on blind faith.

[randallscott35]

As was pointed out, horses improve from 2 to 3. Not shocking.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Cant forget all the $ burned on blind faith.

Pletcher's horses who star in the winter - and somehow survive injury - all went through withdrawls in the Breeders Cup last year.

People call Quality Road "a miler" .. he was already trailing Pleasant Prince after a mile in the BC Classic... and the jock hadn't yet even moved on PP.

The Quality Road who showed up that day wouldn't have been competitive with $15,000 claimers. Something was seriously wrong with him.