Breeders Cup Juvenile Subsequent Form

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Generally speaking, Pletcher 3yos come back with their best stuff right of the bench.

Here was a picture I posted in a thread I started about Super Saver last year. At the time - Super Saver was 3rd in the Tampa Derby to Oddyseus and Schoolyard Dreams - first off the layoff - without any excuse.

These are all Todd Pletcher trained horses improving sharply 2nd off the layoff last winter.




In a lot of cases ... you'd get a blah race 1st off the layoff ... followed by a huge race 2nd off the layoff. The 3rd race off the layoff was typically also a strong one.

Most of these horses got injured or ran like the life had been sucked out of them by the end of the season. Super Saver obviously included.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

In a lot of cases ... you'd get a blah race 1st off the layoff ... followed by a huge race 2nd off the layoff. The 3rd race off the layoff was typically also a strong one.

Nice collection of older horses and grass mares. Any 3yos with 2yo form on dirt besides Eskendereya?

I think you made a big stink about Devil May Care getting ear-twitched in the gate at FG and IIRC the pseudo-sprinter Discreetly Mine was banged around on the inside in the sloppy Spectacular Bid, so I'm withdrawing those from consideration.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Nice collection of older horses and grass mares. Any 3yos with 2yo form on dirt besides Eskendereya?

Of the big names ... Super Saver and Mission Impaz off the top of my head ... to go along with Esk, Devil May Care, and Discreetly Mine

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Of the big names ... Super Saver and Mission Impaz off the top of my head ... to go along with Esk, Devil May Care, and Discreetly Mine

Well, the difference with Stay Thirsty is that he showed up with a winning effort, but didn't run particularly fast. I take that as a sign that he's more or less at his ceiling. Aside from Eskendereya, the others you mentioned had an array of excuses (eg off track, gate trouble, long layoffs, etc.) in their comebacks.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here was a picture I posted in a thread I started about Super Saver last year. At the time - Super Saver was 3rd in the Tampa Derby to Oddyseus and Schoolyard Dreams - first off the layoff - without any excuse.

These are all Todd Pletcher trained horses improving sharply 2nd off the layoff last winter.




In a lot of cases ... you'd get a blah race 1st off the layoff ... followed by a huge race 2nd off the layoff. The 3rd race off the layoff was typically also a strong one.

Most of these horses got injured or ran like the life had been sucked out of them by the end of the season. Super Saver obviously included.

R Heat Lightning followed the same pattern this year.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Munnings - his form isn't pictured above - probably fell off sharper than any of the Pletcher's last year.

He looked promising early on in the season - he was mercifully retired in the summer after running Beyers of 37 and a perfect trip 52 in the Salvator Mile.