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Old 02-19-2011, 09:32 PM
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That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.
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Old 02-20-2011, 05:52 AM
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That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:13 AM
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Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.

I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:52 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:58 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:35 AM
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Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.

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Old 02-21-2011, 08:45 AM
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Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.
Anecdotes are not evidence (ask the FDA). Show me population figures. Didn't say NONE become graded stakes horses, only that not every freaking one of them did, maybe not even half of them. It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:52 AM
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Anecdotes are not evidence (ask the FDA). Show me population figures. Didn't say NONE become graded stakes horses, only that not every freaking one of them did, maybe not even half of them. It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
The point is, no one's freaking out and saying Bind is the next Secretariat/Zenyatta, a Triple Crown lock or that they should start smelting his HOF statue already. All anyone has said is that it was an extremely impressive debut, and for some reason, that was enough for you to feel the need to come in the thread and start wagging your finger at people.
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:05 PM
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Anecdotes are not evidence (ask the FDA). Show me population figures. Didn't say NONE become graded stakes horses, only that not every freaking one of them did, maybe not even half of them. It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
No, what you did was make a stupid remark about how many "fast 6f maiden winners" go on to be graded stakes horses. I gave you a list of horses who posted huge Beyer figs in their debuts, all while sprinting, and you back-tracked. It was what I expected.
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:30 PM
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It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
If Bind goes to win multiple Grade 1's and ends up in the record books it would be too bad that we don't live in ancient Greece, because it would be only fitting--once you were cast off into Hades--that your punishment for all eternity would be to type out one of your patented, pedantic posts lecturing us on the racing career of the horse that lent it's name to the race destined to be known as the Bind Stakes.

After completing the tedious diatribe, all your efforts to post it would be met with a dreaded "connection timed out" message, dooming you to re-type the whole thing over and over and over and over again.

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Anecdotes are not evidence (ask the FDA). Show me population figures. Didn't say NONE become graded stakes horses, only that not every freaking one of them did, maybe not even half of them. It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:39 AM
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Anecdotes are not evidence (ask the FDA). Show me population figures. Didn't say NONE become graded stakes horses, only that not every freaking one of them did, maybe not even half of them. It would be interesting to see what the real fraction is, so that we could pitch our expectations appropriately.
I would wager that there is a very strong connection between debuting high BSF's and graded winners, otherwise people wouldnt rush to Calder or Thistledowns etc. to grab up any Mdn Spl winners that runs an 80plus fig.

There was this trainer named Frankel who prospected the nations to bit tracks buying up debut winners with big BSF's. Frankel realized that if they ran fast once they would most likely run fast again. So he bought these types for Mr Gann and they had a wonder results.

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Old 02-20-2011, 11:31 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
I would bet that at least 50% of all horses that debut with BSF of 100 or better go one to win at least a G3 race
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

You really are clueless.
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the shieks have already put an offer of 6 mil.. then they will run him on the turf at a mile and 7/8
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Old 02-20-2011, 04:43 PM
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Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.
there was an article about stall and some of his youngsters in the paper the other day. i think it was bind who had sore shins. i tried to find the thing online, but no luck as yet.
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Just saw the replay. That was spectacular.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:34 PM
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Just saw the replay. That was spectacular.
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