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Old 02-19-2011, 04:27 PM
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I'd like to see you two have a debate about who was a better horse....AP Indy or Indian Charlie. Can we set something like that up?
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:11 PM
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I'd like to see you two have a debate about who was a better horse....AP Indy or Indian Charlie. Can we set something like that up?
Yeah, I realized the futility of it all and gave up.

But I do like your idea on the debate!

Maybe when that debate is over, we can all get treated to a "Who is better " debate between you and PG1985.
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:32 PM
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That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.
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Old 02-20-2011, 05:52 AM
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That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:13 AM
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Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.

I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:52 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:58 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:31 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.
I would bet that at least 50% of all horses that debut with BSF of 100 or better go one to win at least a G3 race
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:37 AM
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How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

You really are clueless.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:36 PM
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Oh my God.
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Old 02-20-2011, 04:43 PM
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Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.
there was an article about stall and some of his youngsters in the paper the other day. i think it was bind who had sore shins. i tried to find the thing online, but no luck as yet.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:19 PM
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Just saw the replay. That was spectacular.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:44 PM
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A. P. Indy was a better 3yo than Indian Charlie.

In the latters case it was 'what could have been' in the formers case it was 'what was'
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:59 AM
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A. P. Indy was a better 3yo than Indian Charlie.

In the latters case it was 'what could have been' in the formers case it was 'what was'
I remember a couple of conversations where you said differently, but yeah, Indy was obviously more accomplished.
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