Visualizing Obama Spending Cuts

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

dude, get a grip. you think because you're a vet that you have every right to go on the attack against everyone who disagrees with you on anything. jms, riot are just two of those...since when is 'have a bourbon' proof of anything? or 'youre a _____'. no, wait, it's 'your a ____'. you don't post links, you don't post facts, you post a bunch of bs. you jumping into a conversation adds nothing to the dialogue. and right now i do have one fellow on ignore, but you amuse me, so i guess for now i won't bother adding you. and you might want to go back to the start of this thread and read back thru it, and then tell me who attacked whom.

Another thing I will not let anyone tell me that I didnt earn my pension or excellent medical insurance when they didnt spend a day in the military. They want to run thier mouths off. Have they spend six months or up to two years away from thier family? Have they been in a combat situation where they might be shot at? Yet they still want to say that the retirees dont deserve a pension or excellent medical insurance? Im sure no one put a gun to them and said they couldnt join the military. If they wanted a job where they could get a pension maybe they should of did some more research.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Another thing I will not let anyone tell me that I didnt earn my pension or excellent medical insurance when they didnt spend a day in the military. They want to run thier mouths off. Have they spend six months or up to two years away from thier family? Have they been in a combat situation where they might be shot at? Yet they still want to say that the retirees dont deserve a pension or excellent medical insurance? Im sure no one put a gun to them and said they couldnt join the military. If they wanted a job where they could get a pension maybe they should of did some more research.

I've not seen one person on this board who has ever said veterans didn't earn their pension or their insurance. In fact, I've seen people here - including me - say directly to you that you've earned those benefits, and you deserve them. People have only said that veterans had those benefits, and it was paid for by our taxes to the government.

The victim card you play is really old.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I've not seen one person on this board who has ever said veterans didn't earn their pension or their insurance. In fact, I've seen people here - including me - say directly to you that you've earned those benefits, and you deserve them. People have only said that veterans had those benefits, and it was paid for by our taxes to the government.

The victim card you play is really old.

Whatever

[Riot]

US National Debt history by President. And other interesting facts about the national debt - who did what to $$$

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

[Princess Doreen]

Bush II's 8-year administration saw a rise in the National Debt of approximately $4.35 trillion. The first 4 years of his administration had a Democratic House and Senate.

In 2 years 2009 - 2010, the Obama administration has seen a rise in the National Debt of $3.54 trillion, and that's with a Democratic House & Senate.

Is it the President's fault spending is so high during their administration or is it those who control the House and Senate?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...t/histdebt.htm

Date Dollar Amount

09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79 Obama
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75

09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49 Bush II
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06

09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86 Clinton

[dellinger63]

Riot can you add Jimmy Carter into that graph? Give him the praise he deserves.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Bush II's 8-year administration saw a rise in the National Debt of approximately $4.35 trillion. The first 4 years of his administration had a Democratic House and Senate.

In 2 years 2009 - 2010, the Obama administration has seen a rise in the National Debt of $3.54 trillion, and that's with a Democratic House & Senate.

Is it the President's fault spending is so high during their administration or is it those who control the House and Senate?

Where did that debt come from? Far more to it than just numbers. What items made up Bush II's rise? What items made up the rise after November 2008?

[Princess Doreen]

[quote=Riot;752281]

Where did that debt come from? Far more to it than just numbers. What items made up Bush II's rise? What items made up the rise after November 2008?

Oh, geez, the numbers you post have validity - everyone else's are just numbers.

9/11 and building up the military that Clinton dismantled to balance the budget cost a pretty penny.

Despite what anyone else says, I applaud Bush for going into Iraq. If he hadn't, what kind of powder keg would we be dealing with today with that Hitleresque nut job still in power?!~

Repubs pandering to the left during the 2nd half of the Bush administration and buying into Democratic reckless spending philosophy.

You tell me what items made up the rise after 11/08. I'd say it's just some more reckless spending on the backs of the American tax payer.

We should get the hell out of Afghanistan - talk about a worthless cause. Fly the drones, take out the poppy fields, weapons, terrorists and bring the soldiers home. They are dying needlessly, and there doesn't seem to be any Democrats crying about it like they did with the war in Iraq.

I feel the sorriest for the youngest generation - they are going to be paying dearly for the debt that is accumulating exponentially with no end in sight. It has to stop. There has to be some brakes on this runaway spending train.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Another thing I will not let anyone tell me that I didnt earn my pension or excellent medical insurance when they didnt spend a day in the military. They want to run thier mouths off. Have they spend six months or up to two years away from thier family? Have they been in a combat situation where they might be shot at? Yet they still want to say that the retirees dont deserve a pension or excellent medical insurance? Im sure no one put a gun to them and said they couldnt join the military. If they wanted a job where they could get a pension maybe they should of did some more research.

it was your choice to join the military and stay long enough to retire. no one owes you a thing for that. you earned your retirement, good for you. it doesn't preclude you from criticism, it doesn't make you a martyr for your cause. props to you for serving, but quit thinking it entitles you to post whatever you wish to whomever you desire just because they disagree with you politically. it doesn't give you carte blanche. and you aren't better than anyone else here because you served in active duty and others chose not to.
it's a volunteer force, as it should be. others serve in other ways, including paying the taxes that paid you during active duty, and pays your retirement, and paid for your gear, your housing, your medical care, etc, etc. quit acting as tho anyone disagreeing with you is an attack on a soldier, or the military, or is a way of saying you didn't earn what you've got.
personally, i think 20 years is too short a time to qualify for retirement, but that's just me.