LOL -- A warning from Napolitano

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not only that but most work the jobs that the majority of america wouldnt consider doing or applying for.

I'm so anti-consertative when it comes to the issue of illegals, I would get booted out of the politics section if I said how I feel!

Perhaps they would if not for our entitlement programs?

[Riot]

TAKE OUR JOBS

http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TOJNEW_12_JAL.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/news...jobs/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Facing growing anti-immigrant rhetoric, the United Farm Workers union is challenging Americans to take their labor-intensive, low-paying farm jobs.

As communities nationwide grapple with tenacious unemployment, migrant workers are often accused of stealing jobs from Americans. The union believes this accusation is without basis, and intends to demonstrate this with a newly-launched campaign called "Take Our Jobs."

"Farm workers do the work that most Americans are not willing to do," said union president Arturo Rodriguez in the announcement of the campaign.

At least half a million applicants are needed to replace the immigrant workforce, so the union has posted an online application for Americans who want to work on a farm.

Through its Web site, at www.takeourjobs.org, the union promises to connect applicants with farm jobs in their area.

Since June 24, at least 4,000 people have responded to the application, said Rodriguez. Some are serious responses and others are hate mail. "Only a few dozen have really followed through with the process," he said.

Most applicants quickly lose interest once the reality sinks in that these are back-breaking jobs in triple-digit temperatures that pay minimum wage, usually without benefits, according to the union. Some small farms are not required to pay minimum wage and in 15 states farms aren't required to offer workers' compensation.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

TAKE OUR JOBS

http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TOJNEW_12_JAL.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/news...jobs/index.htm

As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

Those littering unemployment lines?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Those littering unemployment lines?

Let's see ... workers, like you, purchase insurance through payroll deductions, as do their employers. Then if workers are laid off through no fault of their own, that insurance gives them a stipend so they don't starve to death.

You know, like if you made $100K a year, you get $300, $350 a week. Wow, let's hope we get laid off to rake that free cash in! LOL! All those payroll deductions we've paid over our lifetime of working sure cashes out great!

Most people who are "littering unemployment lines" are not happy to be there. There is always a baseline unemployment. The numbers are far above that. And it's not due to some mass contagious infection with lethargy and laziness that has suddenly infected hundreds of thousands of people.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

I am quite sure these numbers are far higher now.

In September 2009, around 4 million Americans were served by a state cash-assistance or welfare program, more than 37 million received federal food stamps and about 9.1 million received unemployment benefits. If treated as exclusive numbers, there would be a total of 50.1 million Americans who received federal aid in September 2009. This data is based on a report published in USA today in January 2010.

That said, I have no problem with unemployment, temporary unemployment, as it was meant to be. As an employer of people it is almost less expensive to maintain a worker rather than let one go. UI is expensive and does not allow for inexpensive replacement workers.
Where I grew up, many of my neighbors took FULL advantage of the handout system by having extra children, not working (on purpose) and even not marrying to maintain their low (read $0) income levels despite the fact that they lived next door to us (dad was a cop, mom worked too). This is who, besides farmers are paid not to work, far more than the $300 or so UI pays.

[Princess Doreen]

http://www.whtc.com/blogs/post/rking...american-jobs/

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that the cost of illegal immigration to the states stands at about $113 billion, with nearly half that amount going to education costs."

I don't see how illegal immigrants are paying their way. Even if the have SS deducted from their wages, states aren't getting that money - the federal government is.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

http://www.whtc.com/blogs/post/rking...american-jobs/

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that the cost of illegal immigration to the states stands at about $113 billion, with nearly half that amount going to education costs."

I don't see how illegal immigrants are paying their way. Even if the have SS deducted from their wages, states aren't getting that money - the federal government is.

FYI

Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.

Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.

Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.

Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.

The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...e_summary.html

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

http://www.whtc.com/blogs/post/rking...american-jobs/

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that the cost of illegal immigration to the states stands at about $113 billion, with nearly half that amount going to education costs."

I don't see how illegal immigrants are paying their way. Even if the have SS deducted from their wages, states aren't getting that money - the federal government is.

So the 11 million illegal aliens in the country cost 113 billion? Yeah sure they do. Those are made up numbers.

Your typical fake papers illegal alien pays as much in state and local taxes as any other legal worker. You can't just pay someone and solely take out social security. It is close to impossible to pay cash nowadays for any period of time for a business larger than a few employees. There are billions of dollars in withholding taxes that are never claimed that go to the state and federal govt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

Brian Scalabrine and fired coaches.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who gets "paid for not working" except for farmers?

Michelle Obama and every one else with no show jobs in Crook County

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

As long as people continue to be paid for not working, this cannot be taken seriously.

Very true what you just said. People have no problem bragging that they make more collecting unemployment than if they had a job yet nothing gets done about it. Wait something did. Unemployment benefits got extended. Way to reward some of the trash.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

People have no problem bragging that they make more collecting unemployment than if they had a job yet nothing gets done about it. Wait something did. Unemployment benefits got extended. Way to reward some of the trash.

Really? Where are all those people, Nascar? All the ones bragging?

Let's see:

Unemployment from a job paying $80,000 a year (not counting lost retirement, health benefits, social security input): $300/week before taxes

Minimum-wage McDonald's job at $7.25/hr (with healthcare, retirement, social security input): $290/week before taxes

Yeah - the unemployed are just raking it in, by cashing in on those unemployment insurance policies because they were fired or laid off against their will !

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? Where are all those people, Nascar? All the ones bragging?

Let's see:

Unemployment from a job paying $80,000 a year (not counting lost retirement, health benefits, social security input): $300/week before taxes

Minimum-wage McDonald's job at $7.25/hr (with healthcare, retirement, social security input): $290/week before taxes

Yeah - the unemployed are just raking it in, by cashing in their insurance policies!

I have seen these people on the news. It wasn't on Fox. Keep on living in your make believe world. You remind of the movie A Few Good Men when Tom Cruise says "Colonel Jessup you can't accept the truth" It is always what you think and everyone else is wrong.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I have seen these people on the news. It wasn't on Fox. Keep on living in your make believe world. You remind of the movie A Few Good Men when Tom Cruise says "Colonel Jessup you can't accept the truth" It is always what you think and everyone else is wrong.

My "make believe world" quoted you real numbers.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Very true what you just said. People have no problem bragging that they make more collecting unemployment than if they had a job yet nothing gets done about it. Wait something did. Unemployment benefits got extended. Way to reward some of the trash.

in what alternate universe do people make more by collecting unemployment than at a job? at $300 a week, that's not even $8 an hour for a 40 hour week. and i promise you, those making min wage do not make the top unemployment. do you even pay attention to what you've written before hitting submit reply?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Danzig

in what alternate universe do people make more by collecting unemployment than at a job? at $300 a week, that's not even $8 an hour for a 40 hour week. and i promise you, those making min wage do not make the top unemployment. do you even pay attention to what you've written before hitting submit reply?

Actually thats not far from the truth.

Unemployment is somewhere around $410 total. Unless the Obama $25 is gone.
But take home in the state of Indiana after taxes (fed, and state) was $351.00.

I had a friend, who got released from his job as a Manager at a local Pizza Hutt. I told him that an acquaintance that we both knew had an opening as a dealer at the local casino boat paying roughly around $640 a week.

I see this friend again a month later, and he told me he was content as Unemployment was paying more. WHAT?!

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Actually thats not far from the truth.

Unemployment is somewhere around $410 total. Unless the Obama $25 is gone.
But take home in the state of Indiana after taxes (fed, and state) was $351.00.

I had a friend, who got released from his job as a Manager at a local Pizza Hutt. I told him that an acquaintance that we both knew had an opening as a dealer at the local casino boat paying roughly around $640 a week.

I see this friend again a month later, and he told me he was content as Unemployment was paying more. WHAT?!

Thank you for telling this story. At least I know im not the only one who heard about an unemployed person not looking for a job because they make more collecting unemployment.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Actually thats not far from the truth.

Unemployment is somewhere around $410 total. Unless the Obama $25 is gone.
But take home in the state of Indiana after taxes (fed, and state) was $351.00.

I had a friend, who got released from his job as a Manager at a local Pizza Hutt. I told him that an acquaintance that we both knew had an opening as a dealer at the local casino boat paying roughly around $640 a week.

I see this friend again a month later, and he told me he was content as Unemployment was paying more. WHAT?!

What I meant was that he was making more on Unemployment than being a Manager at Pizza Hutt.

I understand he has managing experience, and he could be holding out for a similar position, but to ignore an opportunity to increase his pay by $300 a week is a disservice to his family.

I haven't seen him since October, so things may have changed, but I won't know until I see him again in a month.