Bernardini

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Lil E Tee would have given A. P. Indy all he could handle.

I doubt it. I love Bernardini and think he could (not saying he definitely would have) beaten AP Indy, but Indy was very good and he would have won that Derby no doubt. Lil E Tee was not that good, though if I recall he became a decent older horse.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Lil E Tee would have given A. P. Indy all he could handle.

Originally Posted by Betsy

No, he wouldn't have......

Betsy, while he does honestly seem to believe San Bernardini would have beaten Indy, he's just yanking our chains on the Lil E Tee remark.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Betsy, while he does honestly seem to believe San Bernardini would have beaten Indy, he's just yanking our chains on the Lil E Tee remark.

Oh, lol..............

You really think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Bernardini would have beaten his sire?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Betsy, while he does honestly seem to believe San Bernardini would have beaten Indy, he's just yanking our chains on the Lil E Tee remark.

It was hardly a forgone conclusion - especially with A. P. Indy's sun-dial slow Santa Anita Derby win. Both he and the 2nd place finisher Bertrando missed their next start due to injury. Bertrando missed a lot of time I believe.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was hardly a forgone conclusion - especially with A. P. Indy's sun-dial slow Santa Anita Derby win. Both he and the 2nd place finisher Bertrando missed their next start due to injury. Bertrando missed a lot of time I believe.

Indy was a much better horse than Lil E. Tee.........but nothing's ever a foregone conclusion in the Derby

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was hardly a forgone conclusion - especially with A. P. Indy's sun-dial slow Santa Anita Derby win. Both he and the 2nd place finisher Bertrando missed their next start due to injury. Bertrando missed a lot of time I believe.

I was there at the SA Derby, and that 149.1 was a legit time and that was a solid race by the first three finishers. I don't care what your precious number says, that was a grade 1 performance.

It was tons better than the 150.2 sundial job Bernardini pulled in the Jim Dandy, despite the huge fig he got for beating up on nothing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I was there at the SA Derby, and that 149.1 was a legit time and that was a solid race by the first three finishers. I don't care what your precious number says, that was a grade 1 performance.

Once again, thinking for yourself doesn't work.

Another Review won the San Bernadino in time 2 full seconds faster than A. P. Indy on the same card at the same distance.

I already covered this in-depth with your stubborn ass ...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=83

If that was legit time for a Grade 1 ... I suppose Another Review ran a 130 that day?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Once again, thinking for yourself doesn't work.

Another Review won the San Bernadino in time 2 full seconds faster than A. P. Indy on the same card at the same distance.

I already covered this in-depth with your stubborn ass ...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=83

If that was legit time for a Grade 1 ... I suppose Another Review ran a 130 that day?

Yeah, we've had this discussion innumerable times in the past dozen years or so.

You are still wrong. I'm sure nowadays they'd just have split that variant nice and neat like.

Besides the time, they ran a hard fought race and were legitimately tired 3yos going a longer distance than any of them had gone before.

Was the San Bernardini race restricted to 3yos that year?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I was there at the SA Derby, and that 149.1 was a legit time and that was a solid race by the first three finishers. I don't care what your precious number says, that was a grade 1 performance.

It was tons better than the 150.2 sundial job Bernardini pulled in the Jim Dandy, despite the huge fig he got for beating up on nothing.

That's really not fair. The track was extremely sloppy and Castellano was literally a statue as he ran around the track. Since when is Bluegrass Cat nothing? Even so, what more could the horse do? How far did you want him to win by?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Betsy

That's really not fair. The track was extremely sloppy and Castellano was literally a statue as he ran around the track. Since when is Bluegrass Cat nothing? Even so, what more could the horse do? How far did you want him to win by?

My point was, or is, not to denigrate Bernardini. I was trying to point out that you can have a slow time and still have what is a really strong performance.

However, Bertrando would have eaten Bluegrass Cat for lunch, and while I don't remember the Bernardini JCGC card/day at all, most often sloppy tracks bring fast times.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

My point was, or is, not to denigrate Bernardini. I was trying to point out that you can have a slow time and still have what is a really strong performance.

However, Bertrando would have eaten Bluegrass Cat for lunch, and while I don't remember the Bernardini JCGC card/day at all, most often sloppy tracks bring fast times.

Yep about your first point because a horse who closes can't help the fractions; if they are slow, a fast time is all but impossible.

Of course I agree about Bertrando as well.

Either way, I was very upset when both were retired early, though I think I was a lot more upset with Bernardini. They both would have been better 4 year olds.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Since when is Bluegrass Cat nothing?

Seriously?