Bernardini

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Invasor was a pretty nice horse, but great? No way.

Bernardini, he was also a really good horse as well, but I just don't get how people went off the deep-end with him.

Perhaps they were just relatively speaking to what else was running at the time.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Perhaps they were just relatively speaking to what else was running at the time.

Yeah, well, no doubt he was much superior to what was left of the 3yos, but heck, he still lost to Invasor.

Also, people were elevating him to all time great status. Heck, one dork on DT recently even went so far as saying he was a better racehorse than his sire!

Seriously.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Heck, one dork on DT recently even went so far as saying he was a better racehorse than his sire!

Yes - A. P. Indy was "a better race horse" because Drysdale "never got to the bottom of him"

Perhaps A. P. Indy was improving and would have been a better older horse - but anyone who rates him better than Bernardini as a racehorse - based on the record - is clueless.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - A. P. Indy was "a better race horse" because Drysdale "never got to the bottom of him"

Perhaps A. P. Indy was improving and would have been a better older horse - but anyone who rates him better than Bernardini as a racehorse - based on the record - is clueless.

Likewise, anyone who relies solely on numbers is as well.

As you know already, there is more to my belief Indy was a better runner than Bernardini than just that one little quip I mentioned.

Based on the record? Indy was a grade 1 winner at 2, despite being far from having reached his full potential. He beat a very good horse in the SA Derby (Bertrando) that was probably much better than anything Bernardini beat.

He won the Belmont. His loss in his final start before the BCC (I believe it was the JCGC) was light years better than anything Bernardini ever showed, and oh yeah, he won the BCC over a much better field than what Bernardini faced.

Granted, one loss does not define a career or a horse, but Bernardini did fire and had no excuses when he lost to what was basically a deluxe version of Musket Man.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Granted, one loss does not define a career or a horse, but Bernardini did fire and had no excuses when he lost to what was basically a deluxe version of Musket Man.

Invasor is a deluxe version of Musket Man?

Dude, stop trying to think for yourself ... it's not working. Adopt the belief that if I say it - I must be right.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Invasor is a deluxe version of Musket Man?

Dude, stop trying to think for yourself ... it's not working. Adopt the belief that if I say it - I must be right.

Yeah, I suppose I went overboard with the deluxe Musket Man remark, but you know as well as I do Invasor was far from being an immortal great.

As for believing you must always be right when you say something, do you still plan on being dead by the time you are 29, with three kids?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

As for believing you must always be right when you say something, do you still plan on being dead by the time you are 29, with three kids?

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.