Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[trackrat59]

Riot you can't just make more doctors. It's not that easy. Also, I never said that people should not have access to health care because there are not enough doctors to go around.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Riot you can't just make more doctors. It's not that easy. Also, I never said that people should not have access to health care because there are not enough doctors to go around.

Yes, I know you didn't, I mentioned it because this argument ("doctor shortage") was a major "against" argument on the far right during the original healthcare debate.

Doctors have always been a bit of an supply and demand thing. Each med school can expand their class seating by 3-5% (affordable to the school), which most are doing, now. Some can go larger. In four years that increases interns, and that addition can stay as long as demand is there.

You have to do two things: enable doctors to actually practice medicine, and not just check off what insurance companies say they can do for patients; and make it so people that spend $75,000 - $150,000 on their medical education think they will realistically be able to pay it back over 10-20 years (and have enough left over for starting a business or buying into one, and having a life at the same time)

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I know you didn't, I mentioned it because this argument ("doctor shortage") was a major "against" argument on the far right during the original healthcare debate.

Doctors have always been a bit of an supply and demand thing. Each med school can expand their class seating by 3-5% (affordable to the school), which most are doing, now. Some can go larger. In four years that increases interns, and that addition can stay as long as demand is there.

You have to do two things: enable doctors to actually practice medicine, and not just check off what insurance companies say they can do for patients; and make it so people that spend $75,000 - $150,000 on their medical education think they will realistically be able to pay it back over 10-20 years (and have enough left over for starting a business or buying into one, and having a life at the same time)

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button

So, speak up, instead of simply dissing my opinion and acting put upon. You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it. And then you diss my answer about how to go about it. Actually, you didn't diss the answer, you just dissed me, without offering any counterpoint or other opinion. I'm looking at it from the professional side. My opinion isn't invalid - it's shared by alot of physicians I know and talk with.

What do your physician recruiters find as the primary inability to hire professionals? Care to actually add something of substance to the conversation? You said you have a whole team that reports to you: what do they say?

Either you really do want to discuss doctor shortages, or you're just into schoolyard clique building.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, speak up, instead of simply dissing my opinion and acting put upon. You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it. And then you diss my answer about how to go about it. Actually, you didn't diss the answer, you just dissed me, without offering any counterpoint or other opinion. I'm looking at it from the professional side. My opinion isn't invalid - it's shared by alot of physicians I know and talk with.

What do your physician recruiters find as the primary inability to hire professionals? Care to actually add something of substance to the conversation? You said you have a whole team that reports to you: what do they say?

Either you really do want to discuss doctor shortages, or you're just into schoolyard clique building.

Your opinion is never invalid.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, speak up, instead of simply dissing my opinion and acting put upon. You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it. And then you diss my answer about how to go about it. Actually, you didn't diss the answer, you just dissed me, without offering any counterpoint or other opinion. I'm looking at it from the professional side. My opinion isn't invalid - it's shared by alot of physicians I know and talk with.

What do your physician recruiters find as the primary inability to hire professionals? Care to actually add something of substance to the conversation? You said you have a whole team that reports to you: what do they say?

Either you really do want to discuss doctor shortages, or you're just into schoolyard clique building.

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

I don't take undeserved, unfair snark.

You feel free to do what you want for your own self.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't take undeserved, unfair snark.

You feel free to do what you want for your own self.

I personally feel like we should use the unwanted embryo's that will just be thrown out at the fertility clinics anyway and make them into doctors.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this was not a classy or nice post Riot. I thought you like high roads?

Have you forgotten that Riot knows everything?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you forgotten that Riot knows everything?

it really didn't work all that well the first time.

sure it was a high point in wit for you but repeating it just reinforces the special needs vibe.

i'm talking to a tree stump again, aren't i? or is it a rock this time?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Have you forgotten that Riot knows everything?

No, Riot doesn't know everything. I just try to discuss stuff here on a more detailed or nuanced level than, "Obama sucks! Illegals suck! Carter sucks! You suck!"

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button

I dont know if you knew this but Riot knows everything.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I dont know if you knew this but Riot knows everything.

Not getting DT'ers rallying around you like you hoped when you posted this?

[Dahoss]

What is the last year someone used the word diss? 1997 or 1998?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What is the last year someone used the word diss? 1997 or 1998?

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I love KC, I been talking them up since week 2. I dont see how they can compete today. I played Chargers/Under. I think its a total blowout. People around these parts diss Matt Cassell, but he has 20TD's to 4INT's.

Suprise suprise.............

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button