If ObamaCare is so great?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

Needs to go to the Supreme Court NOW. Before any more taxes/fees are stolen. I'll guess and say they'll leave it up to State's rights and let the exodus begin. Talk about potentially destroying America?

Perhaps because the country is so diametrically opposed right now regarding healthcare maybe we can separate. Not divorce but a friendly you do your thing I'll do mine and I'll give support for 5-10 or better 100-200 years till everyone gets straightened out. We're a young country after all and can't afford to think ahead.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Needs to go to the Supreme Court NOW. Before any more taxes/fees are stolen. I'll guess and say they'll leave it up to State's rights and let the exodus begin. Talk about potentially destroying America?

Perhaps because the country is so diametrically opposed right now regarding healthcare maybe we can separate. Not divorce but a friendly you do your thing I'll do mine and I'll give support for 5-10 or better 100-200 years till everyone gets straightened out. We're a young country after all and can't afford to think ahead.

I am in total agreement with you. Im sure know it all Riot will disagree with you.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

I hope it gets repealled. Why should my taxpaying money go to helping someone else. Is anyone going to help me in paying for my son to go to college? Wonder if the judges who have said there is no merit are bought and paid for?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Is anyone going to help me in paying for my son to go to college?

Well, just the United States government. Pell grants, and low-interest student loans.

BTW, Obama had the laws changed to cut out the useless middleman (banks) regarding making student loans in order to save us money (the banks were just making a profit off having the students fill out the paperwork, forward to the government, then handing the student the government check)

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, just the United States government. Pell grants, and low-interest student loans.

BTW, Obama had the laws changed to cut out the useless middleman (banks) regarding making student loans in order to save us money (the banks were just making a profit off having the students fill out the paperwork, forward to the government, then handing the student the government check)

How is that helping me pay for my son's college when it has to be payed back? Other people get the free ride for college.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How is that helping me pay for my son's college when it has to be payed back? Other people get the free ride for college.

Pell Grants are free, not paid back. Be sure you apply for those.

I know the VA helps you go to college - does it help your kids get an education?

Sometimes it's best if the kid isn't living at home to get financial aid. Other people that get a free ride usually do so on the merits of their scholarship abilities.

But there are literally thousands of gift scholarships available that are never claimed for most schools (maybe a school has a scholarship for people from a certain town who are the children of a bricklayer, for example!) The kid has to go sit and look through the book in the financial aid office, or on the computer, to find those, and apply. Always worth it!

And there are work-study programs, where the kid works up to 20 hours a week. Very valuable help on Dad's wallet.

My niece was an RA in a dorm, and got a free room.

The other thing is go to a state school close to home for the first two years of basic classes, it's least expensive, as the state subsidizes the cost. Then if the kid wants a degree for a specific thing from a fancy school, transfer in to do the last 2 years there.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How is that helping me pay for my son's college when it has to be payed back? Other people get the free ride for college.

tell him to get good grades and a scholarship.

actually, encourage him to learn a trade. it's not just doctors we'll be lacking in, but electricians, plumbers, hvac techs, and auto mechanics.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.

The Govt. cannot force a citizen to buy a product. The Commerce Clause has been abused for decades. It's time to rein them in. I stated before, if that is unconstitutional, the whole thing goes down in flames. The same 4 Supremes who had difficulty reading the 2nd Amendment will probably have trouble reading the rest of the Constitution.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The Govt. cannot force a citizen to buy a product. The Commerce Clause has been abused for decades. It's time to rein them in. I stated before, if that is unconstitutional, the whole thing goes down in flames. The same 4 Supremes who had difficulty reading the 2nd Amendment will probably have trouble reading the rest of the Constitution.

A good point you have also brought up. The 4 Supremes you are talking about also might be bought and paid for.

[dellinger63]

Brilliant Move!!!!!!

Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.


Nor does the measure specify what type of firearm. Instead, residents would pick one “suitable to their temperament, physical capacity, and preference.”


The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Brilliant Move!!!!!!

Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.


Nor does the measure specify what type of firearm. Instead, residents would pick one “suitable to their temperament, physical capacity, and preference.”


The measure is known as an act “to provide for an individual mandate to adult citizens to provide for the self defense of themselves and others.”


Rep. Hal Wick, R-Sioux Falls, is sponsoring the bill and knows it will be killed. But he said he is introducing it to prove a point that the federal health care reform mandate passed last year is unconstitutional.


“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,” he said.

This is a very enlightning comparision. Im sure all the Dems and Obama butt munchers will disagree with you.