If ObamaCare is so great?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I have no problem with the working people getting this Obamacare.

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

Since Massachusetts has had "virtually the same thing up and running" for 4 years, I'd like to answer you Dell.

1. The jobless ex-inmate will be covered by either MassHealth (if he is getting welfare or under 19) or Commonwealth Care (if he is over 19 but low or no income). Both of which are paid by the Massachusetts taxpayer.

2. The illegal's bill will be covered by Healthnet (= the Mass taxpayer).

3. The Massachusetts citizen will be fined for not having health insurance.


What these 4 years of mandatory health insurance have provided for the working taxpayer in Massachusetts is higher taxes.
Taxes have increased (sales tax was increased by 1.25%) and property taxes have increased due to budget cuts to towns. The state needs more money to cover MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, and Healthnet.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Since Massachusetts has had "virtually the same thing up and running" for 4 years, I'd like to answer you Dell.

1. The jobless ex-inmate will be covered by either MassHealth (if he is getting welfare or under 19) or Commonwealth Care (if he is over 19 but low or no income). Both of which are paid by the Massachusetts taxpayer.

2. The illegal's bill will be covered by Healthnet (= the Mass taxpayer).

3. The Massachusetts citizen will be fined for not having health insurance.


What these 4 years of mandatory health insurance have provided for the working taxpayer in Massachusetts is higher taxes.
Taxes have increased (sales tax was increased by 1.25%) and property taxes have increased due to budget cuts to towns. The state needs more money to cover MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, and Healthnet.

I heard Massachusetts is also called Taxachusetts. Is that true. That is what is f cked with this country. The worthless undeserving illegals get more that a legal deserves to get.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I heard Massachusetts is also called Taxachusetts. Is that true. That is what is f cked with this country. The worthless undeserving illegals get more that a legal deserves to get.

That's ridiculous hate talk. Poor you, poor little victim you. Grow a pair and get real. You have free lifetime medical care from your government that I - and illegals - help pay for. Illegals don't get that. You will eventually get social security. Illegals don't get that - even if they do pay into the system for years. What f cked this country is hate like yours. And what's continuing to do it is appalling ignorance.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's ridiculous hate talk. Poor you, poor little victim you. Grow a pair and get real. You have free lifetime medical care from your government that I - and illegals - help pay for. Illegals don't get that. You will eventually get social security. Illegals don't get that - even if they do pay into the system for years. What f cked this country is hate like yours. And what's continuing to do it is appalling ignorance.

Even the people who live in Massachusetts call it Taxachusetts. It's not hateful; it's factual. A pension and medical care are BENEFITS given by the government for people sign up for 20 years in the military. It's not welfare. Sure, the taxpayers pay for it the same way they pay for pensions for retired politicians.

Jeez, Riot, everyone who disagrees with you is hateful?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Even the people who live in Massachusetts call it Taxachusetts. It's not hateful; it's factual. A pension and medical care are BENEFITS given by the government for people sign up for 20 years in the military. It's not welfare. Sure, the taxpayers pay for it the same way they pay for pensions for retired politicians.

Jeez, Riot, everyone who disagrees with you is hateful?

I guess the truth hurts Riot. Thank you for the back up.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Even the people who live in Massachusetts call it Taxachusetts. It's not hateful; it's factual.

What are you talking about? I didn't talk about that. That's not what I called hateful. Geeshus, read what I wrote: I talked about VA healthcare and illegal aliens - and you are off talking some whacky thing about Massachusetts. Get a clue.

"The worthless undeserving illegals get more that a legal deserves to get."

Bigotry against illegal aliens is hateful. That statement is what I called hateful.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's ridiculous hate talk. Poor you, poor little victim you. Grow a pair and get real. You have free lifetime medical care from your government that I - and illegals - help pay for. Illegals don't get that. You will eventually get social security. Illegals don't get that - even if they do pay into the system for years. What f cked this country is hate like yours. And what's continuing to do it is appalling ignorance.

Dee Lo Brown has a song specifically for you. How are the illegals paying for my insurance. Are illegals now paying taxes? Trust me I have a pair. Which is probably more than you have.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Dee Lo Brown has a song specifically for you. How are the illegals paying for my insurance. Are illegals now paying taxes? Trust me I have a pair. Which is probably more than you have.

It's Cee Lo Green.

Yes, Nascar: illegals with a job (meaning a fake SS number) pay into social security (and never get it back, although you and I benefit) and they pay federal and state and local taxes withheld through their paycheck.

So yeah: you complain "the worthless undeserving llegals get more than legals"? False, bullshiat bigoted I'm-a-victim hate crap.

They pay taxes, state, local, federal - which pays for your free government VA healthcare indeed - and never get any of it back. They don't get health care, they don't call the cops if there is a crime against them for fear of deportation (and don't get me wrong, illegals should be deported).

They pay into the system just like you and I, don't get back what we do, but want to be here so badly that's what they do.

So if you had a pair, you'd at least recognize that illegals are partially carrying your bigoted ass on their dime.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What f cked this country is hate like yours. And what's continuing to do it is appalling ignorance.

Thankfully it is still the opinion of the vast majority of this country that the country is not f cked. And your ignorance in believing the majority of illegals are using fake numbers to work and thus are subsidizing our social security is far more appalling. Look, the ones that do, are taking away from American jobs and the majority who don't (those who work for cash) can still show at Cook County Hospital for free treatment (subsidized by legals) with no fear, since Chicago is a 'sanctuary' city.

It's not very hard to see through his plan and easily arrive at the conclusion it is a subsidization program where the haves and healthy pay for the have-nots and un-healthy. We have county and charitable hospitals for these people at the present time. St. Judes, McDonald House, Catholic Charities etc. etc. etc. We also have little money after all that shopping the past two years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Thankfully it is still the opinion of the vast majority of this country that the country is not f cked. And your ignorance in believing the majority of illegals are using fake numbers to work and thus are subsidizing our social security is far more appalling. .

Oh, really? Go investigate that and get back to me with some stats. You might learn something.

Look, the ones that do, are taking away from American jobs

LOL - no. But it makes a good story to foment hate of illegals. Americans don't want to work in farm fields, clean hotel rooms, or hotwalk horses. In fact, last July the United Farm Workers invited unemployed American citizens to "Take Our Jobs". Yes, citizens, come take the "jobs illegals are taking from Americans". Only 4 people accepted jobs working the fields so far in California. Even though unemployment is terrible out there.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/news...jobs/index.htm

And the people that show up at Cook County are the poor from all of Chicago, you assumption they are mostly illegal is absurd. That happens to be the purpose of that hospital. It exists to help the poor and disenfranchised. Try getting care at Northwestern Memorial or Loyola if you are illegal. Try getting wellness, preventive care anywhere if you are illegal. Try getting regular meds and followup treatment for tuberculosis (common in migrant populations with poor health care in the US) It doesn't happen. No ER can turn away anybody, but they only have to give necessary life-saving care. Nothing further. Put it this way: if it had been an illegal, rather than Gabby Giffords, shot in the head, they would have been discharged once they were out of ICU and they'd be home right now - not in rehab.

Thinking the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is going to give a free ride to illegals - it's specifically contained in the law that illegals are not eligible for any provisions - is beyond absurd.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

I am in agreement with you.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

He's not insured. Unless he qualifies for Medicare.

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Illegals are specifically not covered under the PPACA. So ask the hospital how much charity they give (hospitals do ship patients around)

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

As you know, because you've been told before but you chose to ignore it, there is no penalty to actually pay in the PPACA.

It would be so helpful, if those here who just hate "Obamacare", took a little time to find out something about it. You know, so you could hate something that actually exists. Even though it's so much easier to not bother.

[dellinger63]

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He's not insured. Unless he qualifies for Medicare.



Illegals are specifically not covered under the PPACA. So ask the hospital how much charity they give (hospitals do ship patients around)



As you know, because you've been told before but you chose to ignore it, there is no penalty to actually pay in the PPACA.

It would be so helpful, if those here who just hate "Obamacare", took a little time to find out something about it. You know, so you could hate something that actually exists. Even though it's so much easier to not bother.

I missed the exclusion for ER visits? Why because it doesn't exist? Otherwise status quo except it f's anyone paying and benefits anyone not!

REPEAL NOW!

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by Riot

I missed the exclusion for ER visits? Why because it doesn't exist? Otherwise status quo except it f's anyone paying and benefits anyone not!

REPEAL NOW!

You're completely clueless about what's in the PPACA, and who pays for what. Right now you and I and hospitals pay for the uninsured. That isn't going to change with the PPACA - except there will be far less uninsured.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did you read the whole bill page for page? If the Republicans take over the Senate and Obama gets voted out in 2012 there might be a good chance that this bill that wasn't wanted by the majority of Americans gets repealed.

There is no public option or single payer in the bill. Why do you think the left was so upset at Obama over that? Have you read even the basic summary of it? You'd know that to be true.

The majority of Americans are quite in favor of this at this point (check the polls), and no, doubtful it could ever get repealed, even if a GOP President were to get in during 2012 (as America will not give up the good things in the bill they are already receiving). Yes it could (and probably will) be amended over time. It can certainly be made stronger, better.

Two judges voted it constitutional, two now have not, and 14 have said the case had no merit and refused to hear it. 16 to 2 so far. Implementation of the bill will go forward, and the Supreme Court will get it eventually.