If ObamaCare is so great?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Glad I don't have to get Obamacare. .

I'm quite happy to keep paying for your government healthcare. You deserve it.

And Nascar, now that the provisions are kicking in, yes, the majority of Americans not only want to keep it, they want it made better.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm quite happy to keep paying for your government healthcare. You deserve it.

And Nascar, now that the provisions are kicking in, yes, the majority of Americans not only want to keep it, they want it made better.

I earned my healthcare. Im not going to be getting a handout like other people are going to be getting with this Obamacare. I could care less if people hate the healthcare that I HAVE EARNED that they don't have. I also pay taxes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my healthcare. Im not going to be getting a handout like other people are going to be getting with this Obamacare. I could care less if people hate the healthcare that I HAVE EARNED that they don't have. I also pay taxes.

What they hate is you trying to prevent them from having the same quality of healthcare as you do. And they pay taxes, too.

You do realize that single payer and the public option did not pass, and are not in the bill, right?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

What they hate is you trying to prevent them from having the same quality of healthcare as you do. And they pay taxes, too.

You do realize that single payer and the public option did not pass, and are not in the bill, right?

I have no problem with the working people getting this Obamacare. My problem is the unemployed who are not looking for jobs that will more than likely UNDESERVINGLY get this Obamacare at the expense of my taxpaying money. Also I hope the Illegals don't get this Obamacare. Our taxpaying money is wasted on them already. They are already getting free medical care when go to a ER and enter here illegally having a baby here thinking they could become a legal citizen because they gave birth to a child in this country. If you dont like my opinion not my problem. How am I preventing them from having quality healthcare. I didn't vote on Obamacare. If a person wanted great healtcare like I have they should of did 20 years in the military like I did. Lets see how they would like being separated from thier family for six months at a time.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I have no problem with the working people getting this Obamacare.

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

Since Massachusetts has had "virtually the same thing up and running" for 4 years, I'd like to answer you Dell.

1. The jobless ex-inmate will be covered by either MassHealth (if he is getting welfare or under 19) or Commonwealth Care (if he is over 19 but low or no income). Both of which are paid by the Massachusetts taxpayer.

2. The illegal's bill will be covered by Healthnet (= the Mass taxpayer).

3. The Massachusetts citizen will be fined for not having health insurance.


What these 4 years of mandatory health insurance have provided for the working taxpayer in Massachusetts is higher taxes.
Taxes have increased (sales tax was increased by 1.25%) and property taxes have increased due to budget cuts to towns. The state needs more money to cover MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, and Healthnet.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

I am in agreement with you.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

He's not insured. Unless he qualifies for Medicare.

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Illegals are specifically not covered under the PPACA. So ask the hospital how much charity they give (hospitals do ship patients around)

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

As you know, because you've been told before but you chose to ignore it, there is no penalty to actually pay in the PPACA.

It would be so helpful, if those here who just hate "Obamacare", took a little time to find out something about it. You know, so you could hate something that actually exists. Even though it's so much easier to not bother.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

What they hate is you trying to prevent them from having the same quality of healthcare as you do. And they pay taxes, too.

You do realize that single payer and the public option did not pass, and are not in the bill, right?

I dont believe in another person getting a free handout or getting something for free except for a few cases. Alot of these people won't live within thier income. That is part of the problem.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I dont believe in another person getting a free handout or getting something for free except for a few cases.

like your son for college?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

like your son for college?

I dont mind paying for my son's college. At least im not using the taxpayer's money for it like other's do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I dont mind paying for my son's college. At least im not using the taxpayer's money for it like other's do.

you're not very consistent; how do the below go with the above? i think you believe you should get a free ride but can't, so you think others are getting over on you.
i can be self-deprecating at times about working vs not working, but i would never trade my condition for being without a job and having to accept help. you on the other hand seem angry that even with what you've accomplished, you don't get enough freebies. that's where your real anger lies-you think people on the dole are in a better position than you it seems, whereas i feel sorry for them. also, if you checked into using your gi bill for his college, and they okayed it, that would be using taxpayer money for his college.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I hope it gets repealled. Why should my taxpaying money go to helping someone else. Is anyone going to help me in paying for my son to go to college? Wonder if the judges who have said there is no merit are bought and paid for?

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How is that helping me pay for my son's college when it has to be payed back? Other people get the free ride for college.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

like your son for college?

My son isn't getting any freebies for college. Alot of loans are being taken out.