Is racing doing this right?

Gate Dancer · #1 01-26-2011, 11:01 AM

Good questions on the survey................good luck with your project.

OldDog · #2 01-26-2011, 11:45 AM

Interesting questions. Tough assigning points/percentages to the various issues -- I could have/would have gone way over 100 if it hadn't kept me honest.

freddymo · #3 01-26-2011, 11:54 AM

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Interesting questions. Tough assigning points/percentages to the various issues -- I could have/would have gone way over 100 if it hadn't kept me honest.

Very tough. I started with Integrity getting like 80pts and by the end it was still #1 but down to 40%.. Horse health? If it would have been worded horse safety but horse health? Do I really care if a horse has a cold or a quarter crack?

Sightseek · #4 01-26-2011, 11:56 AM

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Very tough. I started with Integrity getting like 80pts and by the end it was still #1 but down to 40%.. Horse health? If it would have been worded horse safety but horse health? Do I really care if a horse has a cold or a quarter crack?

You do if he or she is yours and is going to miss a race because of it!

freddymo · #5 01-26-2011, 12:12 PM

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You do if he or she is yours and is going to miss a race because of it!

Exactly its a individual concern not something I would consider an industy wide issue.

MaTH716 · #6 01-26-2011, 12:14 PM

I personally thought that drawing new bettors into the sport was the most important issue.

freddymo · #7 01-26-2011, 12:30 PM

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I personally thought that drawing new bettors into the sport was the most important issue.

You can't expand a sport on a shiiitty base. Fix the sport and the bettors will come

The Devil · #8 01-26-2011, 02:56 PM

Good luck Pat. Don't read all of these it will drive you nuts.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 01-26-2011, 12:44 PM

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Very tough. I started with Integrity getting like 80pts and by the end it was still #1 but down to 40%.

I don't think racing - as to how it relates specifically to fans/bettors only - has much of an actual integrity problem Freddy.

You have a few trainers at every circuit who have an edge and seem to be getting over - but it's no secret who most are. There's not much you can do to stop that beyond drug testing. Some athletes and their trainers are getting over in all the other sports as well.

I don't believe people are betting after the bell. Canceling tickets after the start of the race is harder now than before. I don't see anything really suspicious that looks like possible race fixing ever.

freddymo · #10 01-26-2011, 12:51 PM

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I don't think racing - as to how it relates specifically to fans/bettors only - has much of an actual integrity problem Freddy.

You have a few trainers at every circuit who have an edge and seem to be getting over - but it's no secret who most are. There's not much you can do to stop that beyond drug testing. Some athletes and their trainers are getting over in all the other sports as well.

I don't believe people are betting after the bell. Canceling tickets after the start of the race is harder now than before. I don't see anything really suspicious that looks like possible race fixing ever.

you just had an imposter horse run at Sunland. I watched a horse go from 3/5 to 5/2 at Philly two weeks ago in 20 seconds as the gate opened. the other 3/1 went to 7/5 and jogged. All this as they were in the gate? The track wouldnt even be there if it wasnt for the casino.

Sightseek · #11 01-26-2011, 01:03 PM

When I first started to become a racing fan, it was nearly impossible to watch a race. This hasn't changed much with the exception of Keeneland offering live streaming on their website. Having to pay (either through a cable or dish provider) or set up an online account to see live races is silly -- not to mention that most of us still, or not to long ago, had to have multiple accounts or both TVG and HRTV to get all of the tracks we wanted to see. Why are you going to go through all of those troubles if you are only curious about the sport?

freddymo · #12 01-26-2011, 01:06 PM

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When I first started to become a racing fan, it was nearly impossible to watch a race. This hasn't changed much with the exception of Keeneland offering live streaming on their website. Having to pay (either through a cable or dish provider) or set up an online account to see live races is silly -- not to mention that most of us still, or not to long ago, had to have multiple accounts or both TVG and HRTV to get all of the tracks we wanted to see. Why are you going to go through all of those troubles if you are only curious about the sport?

Fair enough Nic but were curious about TC horses and or major stakes quality types or did you want to be tickled by today Turf paradise spectacular?

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 01-26-2011, 01:06 PM

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you just had an imposter horse run at Sunland.

Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.

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I watched a horse go from 3/5 to 5/2 at Philly two weeks ago in 20 seconds as the gate opened. the other 3/1 went to 7/5 and jogged. All this as they were in the gate? The track wouldnt even be there if it wasnt for the casino.

What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

freddymo · #14 01-26-2011, 01:10 PM

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Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.

What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

A horse racing at a major(pursewise anyway) track went from 3/5 to 5/2 while in the gate and you dont think there was monkey business and chicanery?

my miss storm cat · #15 01-27-2011, 08:58 PM

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Interesting questions. Tough assigning points/percentages to the various issues -- I could have/would have gone way over 100 if it hadn't kept me honest.

Yeah that part of it was especially interesting.

I'd love to see results some day.

Good luck, Pat.

PatCummings · #16 01-28-2011, 10:33 AM

Results will come along eventually. A few interesting findings through the results so far. MANY thanks to those who took the time to complete it!

PatCummings · #17 01-31-2011, 10:58 AM

Final call for those who haven't yet taken the survey. The responses have been great so far. Many thanks.

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