if...Blame wins by 2

[Betsy]

Yes, that's the sad thing. Just winning the race wasn't good enough for Blame........Zenyatta gets rewarded because she "courageously" overcame a bad pace scenario (nevermind that it's her flaw). Why Blame should be penalized for having more speed is beyond me. These voters were bound and determined to gift wrap a HOY for her because it would be looked at as a darn shame if she never got one. What an amazing example of a sympathy vote- they felt sorry for Zenyatta because she didn't end up undefeated.

[alysheba4]

its over, thankfully we have the derby preps to look forward to.

[Thunder Gulch]

Blame was penalized for losing to Haynesfield. Too bad he didn't have some SoCal allowance fillies to practice against that day.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Blame was penalized for losing to Haynesfield. Too bad he didn't have some SoCal allowance fillies to practice against that day.

Exactly. Based on their head-to-head record there's a lot of doubt who was the better of the two.

[zippyneedsawin]

Glad to see Z's owners got rewarded for their chicken sh*t campaign last year.
what a joke.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Blame was penalized for losing to Haynesfield. Too bad he didn't have some SoCal allowance fillies to practice against that day.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Exactly. Based on their head-to-head record there's a lot of doubt who was the better of the two.

But I thought Rinterval > Haynesfield ??

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Exactly. Based on their head-to-head record there's a lot of doubt who was the better of the two.

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Nice photo, but it doesn't address the post.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by CSC

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

For sure he could have done more last year, and that would have made the decision an easy one.

Again I felt he should have won HOY with his win in the classic, it would have been just punishment for Sheriff's and Moss's putting all their eggs into one basket approach. Saying that, I am not going to be rushing out singing the praises of Blame's campaign and races last year either.