DADT repeal ... still possible

[Riot]

Still possible the Wizard of Oz will give some of our Senators both a brain, and defense assurance against the magic gay cooties they so obviously fear:

Be sure you read the last paragraph:

The Senate has enough votes to pass a standalone repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) has been told by Senate counterparts, he said in an interview with HuffPost Wednesday evening after the House approved its own version of the bill.

Hoyer said that he's been working closely with Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), the leading reform advocates in the Senate, and that he suggested last week to Lieberman that the House move first.

"Senator Lieberman and Senator Collins determined that they would introduce a bill," said Hoyer. "I called and talked to a number of people. I then called Senator Lieberman and said 'Joe, my intent will be to talk to Congressman Murphy' -- who's the sponsor of the amendment that was adopted in the defense bill -- 'and put this in as a free standing bill, because we can probably send it over to you more quickly than you can send to us.' And he agreed and we introduced exactly the same bill that they have in the Senate."

That bill passed 250-175 after heated debate and a number of unusual statements made by Republicans in support of continuing the policy. "The United States military is not the YMCA. It's something special," insisted Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.).

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said that it is not the soldiers who have a problem with repealing the discriminatory policy, but rather that Republicans are "imputing their own unease" about gays and lesbians on to those soldiers, who, said Frank, "are better than that."

Hoyer said that his Senate partners say they have the votes, though he has no assurance yet from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) as to when it'll come up.

"I talked to [Reid] late last week and early this week so he anticipated this action, but I have no assurances from him. I do, however, have talked to both Senator Lieberman and Senator Collins and they both believe they have the requisite number of votes to pass this legislation," he said.

The repeal will need 60 votes to overcome a filibuster; it won 57 votes last week. Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) has vowed to support it next time after missing the vote. Sens. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), who have expressed some level of support for repeal, could cast the deciding votes.

Earlier on Wednesday, Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) said he was still open to voting for repeal, raising the possibility that if it becomes clear the repeal has 60 votes, several other Republicans may switch and support it in order to get on the right side of history -- and avoid interrogation from grandchildren over the holidays who have long since discarded the prejudice that underlies the policy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_797426.html

[dellinger63]

START with the Navy for a year and let's see how it works.........

[Danzig]

that's a silly idea, dell. hard to believe that in the 21st century, this country is still discriminating against folks. i know that 25 years ago when i was in the navy, there were homosexuals in the service. no doubt there are now as well. the only difference is that people who shouldn't have to worry about their sexuality won't have to worry about it. most in the service recognize that one, there are already folks in the military that are lying to be there, and two, no one should have to lie to join the military. kind of puts our military in a bit of a bad light, asking some of our best and brightest to be dishonest when entering an honorable career.
repeal this bs law-NOW. it's archaic and has no place in the land of the free.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

START with the Navy for a year and let's see how it works.........

really? Its ridiculous that this rule is in place for any branch of the military.

[dellinger63]

OK maybe the tank does look better in pink.

[Danzig]

voting today in the senate. not over yet. here's hoping that the u.s. ends this black eye.

[Riot]

WASHINGTON — In a landmark vote for gay rights, the Senate on Saturday voted to advance legislation that would overturn the military ban on openly gay troops known as "don't ask, don't tell."

The 63-33 test vote all but guarantees the legislation will pass the Senate, possibly by day's end, and reach the president's desk before the new year.

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

Nice to see the Senate having some sense in blocking the Dream Act.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Nice to see the Senate having some sense in blocking the Dream Act.

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?

The Senate just voted 65 to 31 to repeal DADT. At last most of America restarts to move out of the ignorant prejudices of our past, and the shameful way we've treated members of our military. Dinosaurs remain, but hopefully they will simply continue towards extinction. Where their ideas belong.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?

The Senate just voted 65 to 31 to repeal DADT. At last most of America restarts to move out of the ignorant prejudices of our past, and the shameful way we've treated members of our military. Dinosaurs remain, but hopefully they will simply continue towards extinction. Where their ideas belong.

When I was in the military I had no problems serving with people who where gay. They were great people to work with and to talk with. It is a shame how they get treated. As long as it doesn't interfere with work who cares.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot. Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first.

[randallscott35]

Glad they did away with DADT. Finally

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?.

Dumba$$ if they were born here they are U.S. citizens and welcome to apply to Harvard like anyone else. Kind of like the President did. Though he may be a darker brown than what you're describing

But go ahead and play the race card even if it has no significance other than in your head?

And what about those that are here as gang-bangin, drug-dealing parasites, like half the jail population at Lake County IL (far from any border). Should we put them at Harvard, jail them, deport them? And if we do deport should we be on guard for their possible return?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot. Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first.

that's correct. this act is for illegal aliens brough here as minors.

immigration needs to be addressed in full. rather than introducing different acts covering a portion of the whole issue isn't the way to go imo. real reform is needed.

as a sidenote....did anyone realize that amendment 20 to the constitution was supposed to end lame-duck sessions? the amendment was introduced and ratified after the majority, but soon to be minority party pushed thru a bunch of judgeships before departing for good.

[clyde]

Baby...shut up.

"I'm not racist! Some of my best friends are black."

[clyde]

Baby...shut up.

I'm not racist!!!


Look at me! I'm a cultured white fella!







Oopsie! That was a pic of my friend who I talked out of being in the KKK...












































There's me. Racists don't wear adidas track suits! Come on, man!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

When I was in the military I had no problems serving with people who where gay. They were great people to work with and to talk with. It is a shame how they get treated. As long as it doesn't interfere with work who cares.

The thing that I find the most amusing about you is that you post this nonsense actually thinking it is helping your cause.. If you don't get what I am talking about Coach clearly layed it out for you above.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot.

Yes, I know that, I misspoke that. We all know DREAM is about children of aliens.

Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first

Geesh, you hate illegals. I can't think of anyone that wants immigrants to arrive here illegally (I certainly don't, I want them deported) but you have a hate, and it's always about Mexicans - not Canadians, not Cubans, not Haitians.

Yeah, I have read the bill, and what do you have against it, because what you fear about being "put at the back of the line" is complete crap and there's nothing in there that remotely does that? One can easily "prove you're here" for a child via school records, doctor records, etc.

This is for children, who are brought here by illegal parents, and live here, grow up here, go to school here, become part of the community here, speak English - it's a path to citizenship - not a giveaway - and when they reach adulthood, they deserve to work through that if they want to renounce their other citizenship and become Americans, as this is their "homeland". And yes, their illegal parents should be deported.

Face it, whites are going to be the minority in the United States rather quickly, and deporting every non-white you see isn't going to change that.

So if it's not about race for you, what's it about for you? Stealing American jobs? That's been proven embarassingly false this past year with the "Take Our Job" program. You just don't like immigrants? Which types? Irish? German? Australian? Mexican? Haitian? What is the terrible danger you see here, about the children of illegals working towards citizenship and choosing - wanting - to be citizens of this country?

Secure the border? Why? Don't you pay attention to this immigrant issue that worries you so much? ICE has deported 40,000 people in the past couple years - ICE is under attack for doing TOO MUCH getting rid of illegals.