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12-19-2010, 02:09 PM
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12-19-2010, 02:43 PM
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We certainly do have illegal immigrants from other countries, outstaying their VISA's, etc. That's not an insignificant problem. But it's not one anybody here has ever mentioned regarding their intense dislike of "illegals" being here. Quote:
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The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (the DREAM Act) is a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that was first introduced in the United States Senate on August 1, 2001[1] and most recently re-introduced there and the United States House of Representatives on March 26, 2009.
his bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning. The students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge."[2] Military enlistment contracts require an eight year commitment, with active duty commitments typically between four and six years, but as low as two years.[3][4] "Any alien whose permanent resident status is terminated [according to the terms of the Act] shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior to receiving conditional permanent resident status under this Act." [5] Under the 2009 version of the senate bill [13] DREAM Act beneficiaries must: * Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16.[14] * Have proof of residence in the United States for a least five consecutive years since their date of arrival, compliance with Selective Service. * Be between the ages of 12 and 30 at the time of bill enactment. * Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED, or have been admitted to an institution of higher education. * Be of "good moral character"[15] During the first six years, qualifying illegal immigrants would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to (a) graduate from a two-year community college or complete at least two years towards a 4-year degree or (b) serve two years in the U.S. military. After this six year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for legal permanent resident status. During this six year conditional period, they would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.[16] If the illegal immigrants did not meet the educational or military service requirement within the six year time period, their temporary residency would be revoked and they could be deported. They also must not commit any crimes other than those considered non-drug related misdemeanors, regardless of whether or not they have already been approved for permanent status at the end of their six years. Being convicted of a major crime or drug-related infraction would automatically remove the six year temporary residence status and they would be subject to deportation.[citation needed] If they have met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens. An estimated 65,000 illegal immigrant students[17] graduate from high school each year.[18] However, it is not known how many of those were eligible go on to complete the further requirements. It is estimated that only 7,000–13,000 college students nationally can fulfill the further obligations.[19] The bill also restores the option for states to determine residency for purposes of higher education benefits by repealing Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1623).[13] The majority of states interpret this provision as disqualifying illegal immigrants students from certain higher education benefits such as in-state tuition rates.[20] Some states have enacted laws aimed at making unauthorized state residents eligible for in-state tuition rates without violating this IIRIRA provision.[21] However, some students paying out-of-state tuition have filed lawsuits in these states, claiming state education officials violated this federal law.[22] Repealing this provision would provide states the ability to choose their own residency requirements for higher education benefits.
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12-19-2010, 02:59 PM
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i'd imagine the southern border gets the most attention since that's the predominant problem. it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of geography. and yes, dream is very much an amnesty plan, as it grants a faster path to citizenship for those here illegally, when there are proper channels already in place for those brought here by their parents or other family members. the issue isn't how they got here so much as it being an issue of what to do now. why aren't they doing what others did in the past? why are those channels suddenly not feasible?
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 Amnesty is forgiveness. This doesn't forgive anything. Amnesty would be, "Oh, you're a kid, here illegally, okay, now that you're 18, we'll pretend that didn't happen, you can stay". This doesn't do that. It grants a long and hard path to legal conditional residency (not citizenship) Method One: Leave the country, get a VISA, come back. Method Two: DREAM Act.Why not kick all these children out of the country? Why should they be, when they've already been here, part of our culture, functioning as citizens, for years? They didn't come here illegally by choice.
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12-19-2010, 05:40 PM
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sweet jesus.
the matter of geography is the southern border. the one that many illegals cross over. there's no doubt that the predominance of illegal immigrants being of mexican descent has quite a bit to do with the fact that they have a far easier time of crossing the border than someone who doesn't share an incredibly long, hard to defend bit of geographical fact. since only two countries butt up to us, you'd have to think that our predominant issue with someone arriving and staying illegally has something to do with how they get here,and whether their arrival is via mexico or canada. i don't recall reading about a boatload of immigrants sailing into san francisco, or new york much these days, do you? and yes, people overstay their visa after flying in. no joke. you want to say it's racism, i'd say it's vicinity. as an aside, i think the race card is played far, far too often. are some here racist? no doubt. is every instance of disagreement a race-based one? of course not.
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But boy !! ..if you only really knew.
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Please don't let this bleed into our military.
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12-19-2010, 08:22 PM
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i just would like to know why, given all the immigration issues, that dream was the only idea that's been pushed lately. what's up with the current way of handling illegal children of illegal aliens? is there something already in place? if so, what's wrong with it? what was dream intended to do differently than the current plan? is citizenship of illegal children the most important part of immigration that needs to be dealt with right now?
or, we could all just keep calling each other racists, rather than talking about the actual subject.
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I don't know and I really could care less.
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Why should the child born in the United States to a person who is illegally in the United States be classified as a United States citizen? The next thing you know that will more than likely happen is that the parents of that child will ask to be a United States citizen because that child was born in the United States. Wouldn't that be rewarding the child when the parents of that child broke the law? Im sure the parents of the child will be collecting the free handouts that they can get thier undeserving hands on. Mean while we have US citizens living on the streets and starving. Last edited by Nascar1966 : 12-21-2010 at 08:15 AM.
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 Here, have some smallpox and die.
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Just sayin'.
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Isn't the majority of the illegals here Mexicans? What would you want to tell the border agent's family that was shot by a Mexican? Napolitano making a visit to spread her BULLSHIT lies that our borders are safe? Go back to fantasy island Napolitano. Want a plan for immigration? Keep the all the illegals the F out of this country. The Dream Act is a slap on the immigrants who are trying to do it the right way. There are immigrants who have been waiting for years to become an American citizen. Doesn't this Dream Act give immigrants amnesty? This act is almost as bad as Obamacare. It isnt race, its doing the right thing like it should of been done years ago. I guess you dont want it done the right way. You want this country to open the doors for everyone to come here. Lets get this country's national debt even higher. Typical Democrats, lets spend more money that we dont have. Hope the Dream Act isnt passed in the last fews days this year. Last edited by Nascar1966 : 12-21-2010 at 02:49 PM.
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