Cliff Lee

slotdirt · #1 12-18-2010, 07:15 AM

Not really. You're talking about 35 games, and in the case of the AL, that means 10 more games against division rivals than other members of the league. Throw in the two different stints of interleague play, and the pitcher who threw the most innings and made the most starts on the Blue Jays in 2010 pitched as many games against Texas (3) as he did the Devil Rays or the Yankees, but one less than he got to throw against...the Orioles.

Care to rethink your understanding of basic stats, dalakhani?

dalakhani · #2 12-18-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Not really. You're talking about 35 games, and in the case of the AL, that means 10 more games against division rivals than other members of the league. Throw in the two different stints of interleague play, and the pitcher who threw the most innings and made the most starts on the Blue Jays in 2010 pitched as many games against Texas (3) as he did the Devil Rays or the Yankees, but one less than he got to throw against...the Orioles.

Care to rethink your understanding of basic stats, dalakhani?

That would be the case if a pitcher truly pitched every fifth day but that isn't reality. Rotations are shaken up throughout the 6 month season due to injury, performance or matchup.

By the way, how is Michael Vick doing this year?

slotdirt · #3 12-18-2010, 09:50 AM

What does that have to do with anything? Great deflection.

dalakhani · #4 12-18-2010, 11:32 AM

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What does that have to do with anything? Great deflection.

If you aren't bright enough to understand that the ace of a staff is going to face the teams in his division more than the teams in other divisions and why that happens, I can't help you. If you can't understand that this will seriously impact that pitcher's stats, I can't help you.

Lets look at Halladays starts last year:

s. ARI 1.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 9.0 6 1 1 0 0 9 .188
vs. ATL 1.44 3 0 0 0 3 3 2 25.0 17 4 4 2 4 17 .198
vs. BOS 9.53 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 5.2 8 7 6 1 2 1 .320
vs. CHC 7.50 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.0 7 6 5 2 0 3 .292
vs. CIN 2.12 0 1 0 0 2 2 1 17.0 18 4 4 2 1 19 .273
vs. COL 1.26 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 14.1 15 3 2 0 3 13 .273
vs. FLA 1.66 4 1 0 0 5 5 1 38.0 29 7 7 3 2 41 .210
vs. HOU 1.69 1 1 0 0 2 2 1 16.0 13 4 3 2 0 14 .224
vs. LAD 3.86 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 3 3 1 1 4 .370
vs. MIL 5.14 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 7 4 4 4 2 6 .250
vs. MIN 3.38 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 8.0 11 4 3 2 0 8 .344
vs. NYM 2.56 4 0 0 0 4 4 1 31.2 24 9 9 1 2 28 .207
vs. NYY 9.00 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.0 8 6 6 3 2 5 .320
vs. PIT 2.00 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 9.0 9 2 2 0 1 6 .250
vs. SDG 2.57 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 2 2 0 1 7 .333
vs. SFO 6.43 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 5 5 1 0 5 .333
vs. STL 1.29 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 7 2 1 0 3 9 .250
vs. TOR 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 6 0 0 0 1 4 .231
vs. WAS 0.39 3 0 0 0 3 3 1 23.0 16 1 1 0 5 20 .198

Notice a pattern there? Halladay started more than two times against only 4 teams. THEY WERE ALL IN HIS DIVISION.

clyde · #5 12-18-2010, 11:36 AM

snot alert!!

snot alert!!

slotdirt · #6 12-19-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

If you aren't bright enough to understand that the ace of a staff is going to face the teams in his division more than the teams in other divisions and why that happens, I can't help you. If you can't understand that this will seriously impact that pitcher's stats, I can't help you.

Lets look at Halladays starts last year:

s. ARI 1.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 9.0 6 1 1 0 0 9 .188
vs. ATL 1.44 3 0 0 0 3 3 2 25.0 17 4 4 2 4 17 .198
vs. BOS 9.53 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 5.2 8 7 6 1 2 1 .320
vs. CHC 7.50 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.0 7 6 5 2 0 3 .292
vs. CIN 2.12 0 1 0 0 2 2 1 17.0 18 4 4 2 1 19 .273
vs. COL 1.26 1 0 0 0 2 2 0 14.1 15 3 2 0 3 13 .273
vs. FLA 1.66 4 1 0 0 5 5 1 38.0 29 7 7 3 2 41 .210
vs. HOU 1.69 1 1 0 0 2 2 1 16.0 13 4 3 2 0 14 .224
vs. LAD 3.86 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 3 3 1 1 4 .370
vs. MIL 5.14 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 7 4 4 4 2 6 .250
vs. MIN 3.38 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 8.0 11 4 3 2 0 8 .344
vs. NYM 2.56 4 0 0 0 4 4 1 31.2 24 9 9 1 2 28 .207
vs. NYY 9.00 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.0 8 6 6 3 2 5 .320
vs. PIT 2.00 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 9.0 9 2 2 0 1 6 .250
vs. SDG 2.57 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 2 2 0 1 7 .333
vs. SFO 6.43 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 10 5 5 1 0 5 .333
vs. STL 1.29 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 7 2 1 0 3 9 .250
vs. TOR 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 7.0 6 0 0 0 1 4 .231
vs. WAS 0.39 3 0 0 0 3 3 1 23.0 16 1 1 0 5 20 .198

Notice a pattern there? Halladay started more than two times against only 4 teams. THEY WERE ALL IN HIS DIVISION.

Of course any given pitcher has a higher likelihood to pitch against division rivals in an unbalanced schedule. The question is whether that obvious point is statistically relevant, something you clearly have failed to grasp when discussing a sport that relies more on statistics than any other sport on the planet.

dalakhani · #7 12-19-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Of course any given pitcher has a higher likelihood to pitch against division rivals in an unbalanced schedule. The question is whether that obvious point is statistically relevant, something you clearly have failed to grasp when discussing a sport that relies more on statistics than any other sport on the planet.

LOL If one guy pitches a majority of his starts against the yanks, rays and red sox and the other guy pitches a a majority of his starts against the nationals, marlins and mets...

And you don't think there is statistical relevancy? This is dumb.