Cliff Lee

[slotdirt]

Are you saying that, say, Felix Hernandez's stats weren't any good last year because he got to pitch against AL West opponents a bunch of times? If so, then you're basically insinuating that basically every baseball statistic in history is meaningless. Good luck with that argument.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Are you saying that, say, Felix Hernandez's stats weren't any good last year because he got to pitch against AL West opponents a bunch of times? If so, then you're basically insinuating that basically every baseball statistic in history is meaningless. Good luck with that argument.

you are the one who looked at the Halladay stats from this past year.. picked out the ERA+ stat and made it seem like 2010 Halladay NL East year didnt compare with Maddux when it is easy to see that it did (minus those 95-96 Maddux years where he was out of this world).

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Are you saying that, say, Felix Hernandez's stats weren't any good last year because he got to pitch against AL West opponents a bunch of times? If so, then you're basically insinuating that basically every baseball statistic in history is meaningless. Good luck with that argument.

No, not what i said. Are you saying that his stats wouldn't be more impressive if he pitched for toronto last year instead of seattle?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No, not what i said. Are you saying that his stats wouldn't be more impressive if he pitched for toronto last year instead of seattle?

Impossible to know. I'd think it would be possible that facing the same team many more times over the course of a given year would equalize, in the case of a Toronto starting pitcher, the number of times that pitcher has to face a lineup like the Yankees or Rays. Moreover, we're talking about pitchers who only play 35 games maximum over the course of a 162 game season. Unbalanced schedules would seem to be statistically irrelevant when it comes to starting pitchers.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Impossible to know. I'd think it would be possible that facing the same team many more times over the course of a given year would equalize, in the case of a Toronto starting pitcher, the number of times that pitcher has to face a lineup like the Yankees or Rays. Moreover, we're talking about pitchers who only play 35 games maximum over the course of a 162 game season. Unbalanced schedules would seem to be statistically irrelevant when it comes to starting pitchers.

Do you think that maybe you should re-think this last sentence?

[slotdirt]

Not really. You're talking about 35 games, and in the case of the AL, that means 10 more games against division rivals than other members of the league. Throw in the two different stints of interleague play, and the pitcher who threw the most innings and made the most starts on the Blue Jays in 2010 pitched as many games against Texas (3) as he did the Devil Rays or the Yankees, but one less than he got to throw against...the Orioles.

Care to rethink your understanding of basic stats, dalakhani?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Not really. You're talking about 35 games, and in the case of the AL, that means 10 more games against division rivals than other members of the league. Throw in the two different stints of interleague play, and the pitcher who threw the most innings and made the most starts on the Blue Jays in 2010 pitched as many games against Texas (3) as he did the Devil Rays or the Yankees, but one less than he got to throw against...the Orioles.

Care to rethink your understanding of basic stats, dalakhani?

That would be the case if a pitcher truly pitched every fifth day but that isn't reality. Rotations are shaken up throughout the 6 month season due to injury, performance or matchup.

By the way, how is Michael Vick doing this year?

[slotdirt]

What does that have to do with anything? Great deflection.