Sanchez....

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Well, I will agree with RHT that Sanchez isn't much of an NFL quarterback. Is he the worst starter in the league? I know at least the 2010 version of Chad Henne would beg to differ with that assessment. That being said, Sanchez at this point in his career is easily one of the five worst performing starters in the league, though as ateam said earlier in this thread, he's not the Jets only problem on offense.

Seriously? Sanchez has had two bad games and now there are 25 QBs in the NFL who are better than him? Come on, that's lunacy.

Sanchez is the 2nd best QB in his division. If you based it on current starters (even injured ones) here's what you have:

Vick (*)
E. Manning (*)
McNabb
Romo
Rodgers (*)
Favre
Cutler
Stafford
Ryan (*)
Freeman (*)
Brees (*)
Claussen
Bradford
A. Smith
Hasselbeck
Anderson
Brady (*)
Sanchez
Henne
Fitzpatrick
Delhomme
Palmer
Roethlisberger (*)
Flacco
Schaub (*)
P. Manning (*)
Garrard
Collins/Young
Rivers (*)
Cassel
Orton
Campbell

There's absolutely no way you're taking 26 of those guys over Mark Sanchez. I put asterisks next to the ones I would take over Sanchez and came up with 11. Freeman is the only shot in the dark, but I think he's solid and has a bright future.

[slotdirt]

You guys are crazy. Fifth worst rating in the friggin' league. No way he's the 12th best quarterback in the league. Zero chance at that.

And second best quarterback in the division? If you had a pick and needed to a win a single game with a single quarterback, do you take Sanchez or Fitzpatrick? Serious question. I know who I would pick, and he doesn't currently suit up for Gang Green.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

You guys are crazy. Fifth worst rating in the friggin' league. No way he's the 12th best quarterback in the league. Zero chance at that.

And second best quarterback in the division? If you had a pick and needed to a win a single game with a single quarterback, do you take Sanchez or Fitzpatrick? Serious question. I know who I would pick, and he doesn't currently suit up for Gang Green.

You said he was the 5th worst QB in the league and present QB ratings as your proof....and we're crazy?

Good luck with that one. Matt Cassel has a higher QB rating than Big Ben, drew Brees, Schaub, Flacco, both Mannings, Cutler, Matt Ryan. He must be better than them. It's all about those QB ratings.

[slotdirt]

It's not the be-all and end-all, but it certainly means something, does it not? There is a middle ground to an argument, no?

And Eli Manning stinks. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's not the be-all and end-all, but it certainly means something, does it not? There is a middle ground to an argument, no?

And Eli Manning stinks. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

???.
Like I said, everyone is entittled to their opinions, buy why are you singling him out?

Maybe it has nothing to do with the weather. Maybe quarterbacks with black hair aren't equal to blonde quarterbacks.

Look at some of the great quarterbacks...

Dan Marino - Brown hair
Tom Brady - Blonde
Joe Montana - ginger blonde

SEE?

Sanchez needs to dye his hair!

Problem solved. Bring whore give head now.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Maybe it has nothing to do with the weather. Maybe quarterbacks with black hair aren't equal to blonde quarterbacks.

Look at some of the great quarterbacks...

Dan Marino - Brown hair
Tom Brady - Blonde
Joe Montana - ginger blonde

SEE?

Sanchez needs to dye his hair!

Problem solved. Bring whore give head now.

Dude.. Why do you always jump straight to the absurd? I stand by my point. Recent East Coast failures off the top of my head without even thinking about it Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, Carson Palmer. Brady while born in Cali schooled in Michigan. Give me a Cal Bred and schooled that has been successful on the east coast?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Maybe it has nothing to do with the weather. Maybe quarterbacks with black hair aren't equal to blonde quarterbacks.

Look at some of the great quarterbacks...

Dan Marino - Brown hair
Tom Brady - Blonde
Joe Montana - ginger blonde

SEE?

Sanchez needs to dye his hair!

Problem solved. Bring whore give head now.

....good point and you didnt even bring up elway.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's not the be-all and end-all, but it certainly means something, does it not? There is a middle ground to an argument, no?

And Eli Manning stinks. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

I think it means very little. That's my opinion and Matt Cassel has had a nice year. But his team is terribly overrated, has the advantage of playing in arguably the worst division in the AFC and has had the advantage of playing the teams from the NFC West this season, who is without a doubt the worst divsion in the NFL. Take away the 3 wins against the NFC West (a division where the first place team is currently 6-7) and they are 5-5 with blowout losses to two division rivals.

[JerseyJ]

Matt Cassel is squarely not the 5th best Quarterback in the NFL overall or even this year for that matter. Hell, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 15 in all honesty. Pretty much anyone of the Quarterbacks who I would rate in the Top 15 can do what Cassel did this year. This is how I would rate your Starters/QB groups from 1-32 based on some of this year as well as where the QBs are with regards to their careers, aka Carson Palmer is done, etc.

1. Brady, NE
2. Vick, PHI
3. Rivers, SD
4. Rodgers, GB
5. Brees, NO
6. Roethlisberger, PIT
7. Ryan, ATL
8. P. Manning, IND
9. Romo, DAL
10. Schaub, HOU
11. Flacco, BAL
12. E. Manning, NYG
13. Bradford, STL
14. Freeman, TB
15. Fitzpatrick, BUF
16. Cassel, KC
17. Cutler, CHI
18. Garrard, JAC
19. Orton, DEN
20. Stafford, DET
21. Sanchez, NYJ
22. McNabb, WAS
23. Hasselbeck, SEA
24. Campbell, OAK
25. Palmer, CIN
26. MIN QBs/Favre/Jackson
27. TEN QBs/Collins/Young
28. Henne, MIA
29. CLE QBs/McCoy/Delhomme
30. SF QBs/T. Smith/A. Smith
31. ARI QBs/Anderson/Skelton
32. CAR QBs/Clausen/Moore

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Matt Cassel is squarely not the 5th best Quarterback in the NFL overall or even this year for that matter. Hell, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 15 in all honesty. Pretty much anyone of the Quarterbacks who I would rate in the Top 15 can do what Cassel did this year. This is how I would rate your Starters/QB groups from 1-32 based on some of this year as well as where the QBs are with regards to their careers, aka Carson Palmer is done, etc.

1. Brady, NE
2. Vick, PHI
3. Rivers, SD
4. Rodgers, GB
5. Brees, NO
6. Roethlisberger, PIT
7. Ryan, ATL
8. P. Manning, IND
9. Romo, DAL
10. Schaub, HOU
11. Flacco, BAL
12. E. Manning, NYG
13. Bradford, STL
14. Freeman, TB
15. Fitzpatrick, BUF
16. Cassel, KC
17. Cutler, CHI
18. Garrard, JAC
19. Orton, DEN
20. Stafford, DET
21. Sanchez, NYJ
22. McNabb, WAS
23. Hasselbeck, SEA
24. Campbell, OAK
25. Palmer, CIN
26. MIN QBs/Favre/Jackson
27. TEN QBs/Collins/Young
28. Henne, MIA
29. CLE QBs/McCoy/Delhomme
30. SF QBs/T. Smith/A. Smith
31. ARI QBs/Anderson/Skelton
32. CAR QBs/Clausen/Moore

This is the most pathetic list/thing I have ever witnessed. I was talking this year, and you go and put Tony Romo in your top 10? WTF?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think it means very little. That's my opinion and Matt Cassel has had a nice year. But his team is terribly overrated, has the advantage of playing in arguably the worst division in the AFC and has had the advantage of playing the teams from the NFC West this season, who is without a doubt the worst divsion in the NFL. Take away the 3 wins against the NFC West (a division where the first place team is currently 6-7) and they are 5-5 with blowout losses to two division rivals.

He is gonna have to roll his ***** on the field these next three weeks with this Aaron Rodgers fiasco crap, speaking in terms of fantasy.

I am like the Sinister Minister of Fantasy, I dominate for like 8 weeks (8 furlongs) and then **** the bed

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Scav

He is gonna have to roll his ***** on the field these next three weeks with this Aaron Rodgers fiasco crap, speaking in terms of fantasy.

I am like the Sinister Minister of Fantasy, I dominate for like 8 weeks (8 furlongs) and then **** the bed

Me too... I make the playoffs and Kyle Orton thows up a -4 and Raiders D
a -1

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Seriously? Sanchez has had two bad games and now there are 25 QBs in the NFL who are better than him? Come on, that's lunacy.

Sanchez is the 2nd best QB in his division. If you based it on current starters (even injured ones) here's what you have:

Vick (*)
E. Manning (*)
McNabb
Romo
Rodgers (*)
Favre
Cutler
Stafford
Ryan (*)
Freeman (*)
Brees (*)
Claussen
Bradford
A. Smith
Hasselbeck
Anderson
Brady (*)
Sanchez
Henne
Fitzpatrick
Delhomme
Palmer
Roethlisberger (*)
Flacco
Schaub (*)
P. Manning (*)
Garrard
Collins/Young
Rivers (*)
Cassel
Orton
Campbell

There's absolutely no way you're taking 26 of those guys over Mark Sanchez. I put asterisks next to the ones I would take over Sanchez and came up with 11. Freeman is the only shot in the dark, but I think he's solid and has a bright future.

Sorry, had to re-read this and got a further chuckle. I don't mean to belabor this point, but what has he done in his career that's better than, say, Jason Campbell? Honest question. And there's not a single scout in the league who would take Sanchez over his two 2009 first round draft mates (Stafford when healthy, Freeman). Cassel has GROSSLY outplayed Sanchez this year - that's not even debateable. McNabb's a HOF-er. Favre is 2,903 years old, but based on the way T-Jack played last week (INT's and all), he's still close to Sanchez. Romo's better, not even close. I hate Cutler's ass face, but the guy at least has some talent. You lost me on Bradford - he's the offensive rookie of the year - and has looked pretty good, yesterday excepted.

Aside from that, there are some pretty awful quarterbacks starting right now in the league. Excellent points.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sorry, had to re-read this and got a further chuckle. I don't mean to belabor this point, but what has he done in his career that's better than, say, Jason Campbell? Honest question. And there's not a single scout in the league who would take Sanchez over his two 2009 first round draft mates (Stafford when healthy, Freeman). Cassel has GROSSLY outplayed Sanchez this year - that's not even debateable. McNabb's a HOF-er. Favre is 2,903 years old, but based on the way T-Jack played last week (INT's and all), he's still close to Sanchez. Romo's better, not even close. I hate Cutler's ass face, but the guy at least has some talent. You lost me on Bradford - he's the offensive rookie of the year - and has looked pretty good, yesterday excepted.

Aside from that, there are some pretty awful quarterbacks starting right now in the league. Excellent points.

The irony of asking who you'd take if you had to win one game then saying you'd choose a QB whose career win percentage is .400 is not lost on me.

Sanchez played poorly yesterday, and the week before. I've never disputed that. But you're dealing with a QB who just made his 28th regular season start and suddenly determining that he has no future in the NFL. Gone are the memories of the game he played against NE in Week 2 or the comeback wins against Detroit, Cleveland, and Houston.

You can't make proclamations on who's good or who's bad by QB ratings and raw stats. I understand you're a Lions fan but I can't see how more than 5-6 GMs in the NFL would take Stafford right now. The guy could separate his shoulder sneezing.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The irony of asking who you'd take if you had to win one game then saying you'd choose a QB whose career win percentage is .400 is not lost on me.

Sanchez played poorly yesterday, and the week before. I've never disputed that. But you're dealing with a QB who just made his 28th regular season start and suddenly determining that he has no future in the NFL. Gone are the memories of the game he played against NE in Week 2 or the comeback wins against Detroit, Cleveland, and Houston.

You can't make proclamations on who's good or who's bad by QB ratings and raw stats. I understand you're a Lions fan but I can't see how more than 5-6 GMs in the NFL would take Stafford right now. The guy could separate his shoulder sneezing.

The issue is that Sanchez had a lousy rookie year and knee-jerkers like Tubby Guidohair jumped to the conclusion that he sucks, ignoring factors like age and lack of experience. In the early part of the year, his play made these people reconsider their ironclad opinions, which they don't like doing. Now that he's had a couple of shitty games, they can safely go back to the premature writing him off mode.

The bottom line is he sure as hell has improved from last year to this year but he still has a lot more improving to do, namely in inclement weather games. I don't care what you think of his play thus far, but if you're closing the book on him less than two seasons into his career when he only had 16 college starts, I humbly suggest that you're a moron who doesn't understand the position.

[slotdirt]

Totally off topic, but the sight of the Vikings logo being painted in the middle of Ford Field kind of makes me want to vomit in my mouth. Maybe this means the NFL will think Detroit not sucking isn't such a bad thing after all? </conspiracy theory>

[declansharbor]

Here's a tough one. Sanchez or Bradford?


I'd side with Bradford to build a franchise around, but I'm curious to see what others views are on this one. I like both of them as they move forward, but Bradford seems to have the edge imo.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Here's a tough one. Sanchez or Bradford?


I'd side with Bradford to build a franchise around, but I'm curious to see what others views are on this one. I like both of them as they move forward, but Bradford seems to have the edge imo.

Next year will be the year you will know about Bradford. He has been impressive with limited talent

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Here's a tough one. Sanchez or Bradford?


I'd side with Bradford to build a franchise around, but I'm curious to see what others views are on this one. I like both of them as they move forward, but Bradford seems to have the edge imo.

i'm very impressed with bradford, i think he has a bright future ahead of him.