Sanchez....

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

wow

What's wrong with his list?

We all know Cassell > Rodgers

Get off his c*ck MaTH.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

What's wrong with his list?

We all know Cassell > Rogers

Get off his c*ck MaTH.

Im saying THIS YEAR.
I guess 20td 4int is not good.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im saying THIS YEAR.
I guess 20td 4int is not good.

It's your opinion, it's fine. If you are only using those two categories, then Brees shouldn't be in your top 5.

[NTamm1215]

Cassel's stats compare rather favorably with Josh Freeman.

Cassel:

212-354, 2503 yds, 23 TDs, 4 INTs,

Freeman:

228-390, 2708 yds, 17 TDs, 6 INTs

The Chiefs are the league's #1 running team and are the only team that have two RBs in the top 20 in rushing. Cassel's stats are also inflated by garbage time passing yards earned in a complete blowout in Denver.

Cassel is in no way a top 5 QB. I would take Matt Schaub over him in a heartbeat and Schaub is on no one's top 5 list. Would anyone really want their team in the hands of Matt Cassel with 2 minutes to go in a big game?

[slotdirt]

Cassel has been awesome this year. Top five NFL QB? Probably not, but is he the MVP of a potential playoff team? Absolutely.

That list of USC NFL quarterbacks is interesting. Some of those guys weren't exactly highly touted coming out of college (Cassel, Salisbury), and some of them were abject crackheads (Marinovich). Peete had a serviceable NFL career, as has Palmer (well, at least until the last couple of years). Haden couldn't stay on the field.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Cassel has been awesome this year. Top five NFL QB? Probably not, but is he the MVP of a potential playoff team? Absolutely.

That list of USC NFL quarterbacks is interesting. Some of those guys weren't exactly highly touted coming out of college (Cassel, Salisbury), and some of them were abject crackheads (Marinovich). Peete had a serviceable NFL career, as has Palmer (well, at least until the last couple of years). Haden couldn't stay on the field.

Dude, TOP 5 THIS YEAR.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Cassel's stats compare rather favorably with Josh Freeman.

Cassel:

212-354, 2503 yds, 23 TDs, 4 INTs,

Freeman:

228-390, 2708 yds, 17 TDs, 6 INTs

The Chiefs are the league's #1 running team and are the only team that have two RBs in the top 20 in rushing. Cassel's stats are also inflated by garbage time passing yards earned in a complete blowout in Denver.

Cassel is in no way a top 5 QB. I would take Matt Schaub over him in a heartbeat and Schaub is on no one's top 5 list. Would anyone really want their team in the hands of Matt Cassel with 2 minutes to go in a big game?

6-1 RATIO OR 3-1.
Im not sure how thats close.

[slotdirt]

Well, Cassel does have Dwayne Bowe. One thing yesterday showed is that KC is lost without Cassel.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

6-1 RATIO OR 3-1.
Im not sure how thats close.

You're putting a ton of stock into two stats that are important, but hardly the be all end all of a QB, especially when you understand where they fit into the context of an offense.

You're taking a guy who is having a good year and comparing him to people who have proven year in and year out are very good NFL players.

KC should win the division because their three remaining games are relatively soft (@ St. Louis, vs. Tennessee, vs. Oakland). But, if they are in the 4th quarter of a Wildcard Playoff game against a team like Baltimore trailing 27-23 with 2:00 to go we will all see how Cassel accumulated nice stats playing in an offense where one of the main goals was to keep him from having to do very much.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You're putting a ton of stock into two stats that are important, but hardly the be all end all of a QB, especially when you understand where they fit into the context of an offense.

You're taking a guy who is having a good year and comparing him to people who have proven year in and year out are very good NFL players.

KC should win the division because their three remaining games are relatively soft (@ St. Louis, vs. Tennessee, vs. Oakland). But, if they are in the 4th quarter of a Wildcard Playoff game against a team like Baltimore trailing 27-23 with 2:00 to go we will all see how Cassel accumulated nice stats playing in an offense where one of the main goals was to keep him from having to do very much.

Your scenario is horrible. I would barley take Brady vs Baltimore D. That's the best defense in the NFL.
Im talking this year Nick, this year only.
So now because a team can run the QB sucks? The team is built to run, thats a knock on the QB? Sanchez is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, when they dont run. He is literally in the bottom 5. Matt Schaub is a total bum, really surprised you went there.

I would take 15 guys over Peyton Manning so far this year..... He has been horrible.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your scenario is horrible. I would barley take Brady vs Baltimore D. That's the best defense in the NFL.
Im talking this year Nick, this year only.
So now because a team can run the QB sucks? The team is built to run, thats a knock on the QB? Sanchez is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, when they dont run. He is literally in the bottom 5. Matt Schaub is a total bum, really surprised you went there.

I would take 15 guys over Peyton Manning so far this year..... He has been horrible.

YOU HAVE THE WORST OPINION AT DERBYTRAIL

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your scenario is horrible. I would barley take Brady vs Baltimore D. That's the best defense in the NFL.
Im talking this year Nick, this year only.
So now because a team can run the QB sucks? The team is built to run, thats a knock on the QB? Sanchez is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, when they dont run. He is literally in the bottom 5. Matt Schaub is a total bum, really surprised you went there.

I would take 15 guys over Peyton Manning so far this year..... He has been horrible.

The way he's playing right now, Brady would be a play versus the 85 Bears.

Cassel is rated about 25th in every other relevant pass category, so to say he is in the top 5 because he has a 7:1 td interception ratio is ludicris. Like Bigs said, how does Brees make your list when he is averaging 1 1/2 TD to 1 interception?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Your scenario is horrible. I would barley take Brady vs Baltimore D. That's the best defense in the NFL.
Im talking this year Nick, this year only.
So now because a team can run the QB sucks? The team is built to run, thats a knock on the QB? Sanchez is the WORST QB IN THE NFL, when they dont run. He is literally in the bottom 5. Matt Schaub is a total bum, really surprised you went there.

I would take 15 guys over Peyton Manning so far this year..... He has been horrible.

It's not a knock on the QB when a team is built to run but it's a huge knock when you're trying to say that he's one of the best in the league. He's having a good season because they are a well coached offensive unit with a system tailored to their individual players.

Two other things:

1.) Sanchez is not the worst QB in the NFL. I understand you hate the Jets but that's just stupid.

2.) Matt Schaub led the NFL in passing and yds per game last year, finished 5th in TDs, 4th in completion percentage, 7th in QB rating (ahead of guys like Romo, Brady, Warner, E. Manning, McNabb, Flacco, and Matt Ryan). I'm sure you watch very little Houston Texans football but he is not a bum.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

What's wrong with his list?

We all know Cassell > Rodgers

Get off his c*ck MaTH.

I'm sorry I didn't talk you in to starting Shonn Greene last week.