DADT possible vote tonight!

[Riot]

I'd also suggest rather than worrying about some illegal getting a degree and citizenship

That would be you having the fit over that

BTW sorry RIOT, wasn't aware your ancestors snuck into the country but now understand how you feel the way you do.

I didn't say they were illegal, you fool, I said they were immigrants. You do know that immigration by foreigners is allowed and perfectly legal? Maybe we should concentrate on programs that teach folks how to read? And teach them some basic American history - such as we are a nation of immigrants? The whole melting pot idea? Think hard, Dell ... when did your "people" come to America? Because even if it was the Mayflower, that makes you just as immigrant as every other single American not American Indian.

[Danzig]

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

This is the truth. The first part is good. The second part is bad. The third part is just plain ugly. Why do liberals care about the deficit all the sudden? Where was this onslaught of frugalness when they were cramming through massive spending bills for the last 2 years? Everything is "unfunded" untill they TAKE the money from the taxpayers. It's past time for the Govt. (and a lot of Americans) to live within their means.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it. Its not like all of the sudden the marines is going to become the best gay club on the planet. and change to pink camo.

If a gay marine tries to improperly hit on a straight marine and makes the unit uncomfortable, he should be kicked out, or demoted, or whatever they do. Just like if a straight man improperly tries a straight woman (like exposes himself or something). he also should be kicked out, or demoted.

But to throw out people who are willing to die for their country, just because someone found out they are gay.. is pathetic and an embarrassment for our country and military.

The Repubs are so wrong they should be ashamed of themselves.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it...

I think a good portion of the right is for repeal, especially those under 60. I also think the majority of Marines active and retired, are against it. Leaving the marines out could just be a compromise that gets 80% of the repeal done now and maybe in another 1/2 generation they'll be ready to come onboard.

[Antitrust32]

I think the Marines need to deal with it. in about 1 week time after the repeal is done, they will realize it was like the smallest deal in the world and that nothing has changed for the worse.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

Plus the House Representatives. Plus the Senate has 60 votes to change it, far more than the 51 they need. So it's a shame the minority GOP is preventing a vote on this by filibuster, holding the rest of the country hostage to their minority opinion.

The GOP can continue obstructing, and let the courts rule it unconstitutional, order immediate repeal (not good implementation for the military), or the President can simply executive order it into oblivion (which leaves it able to be re-implemented in the future).

So the GOP will get another chance to get their heads out of their butts, let the military control how it is repealed and implemented, and vote once more on this before this congress ends at Christmas.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I didn't say they were illegal, you fool, I said they were immigrants..

You compared them as though they were the same as the illegals thus I thought they must have snuck in. I guess in your world bank robbers and bank patrons are all just 'people in the bank'

BTW My people came thru Ellis Island like a lot of people and they had to be 'sponsored' you know have a job and place to stay to start out? In fact their SS cards have the employer printed on the back. Not quite as exciting as scaling a fence or hiding in the back of a semi but it was legal.